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    FRD: Ditto progress the damn sarge

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    On 6/12/2019 at 5:49 PM, Ditto said:

    Went to the doc to get an std test today, better safe than sorry, you know. Opened a bunch of people just because I felt like BT spiking. One lady working at reception by herself gave me that damnit another patient vibe, then she was giggling and smiling by the time I was done with my urine test, lol!

    Nothing like a good urine test to get the ladies laughing!

    On 6/12/2019 at 5:49 PM, Ditto said:

    Walking down the stairs while leaving I opened a tall girl that was really done up (for America) with I like your shoes. Thanks! They're from work though. Want to trade? Laughs and stops on the staircase. I get a look at the face and go, oh shit that's definitely a tranny. WHY? I don't know but the plastic surgery and tranny alarm was going off super loud so I said "haha, I'm just teasing you, enjoy your day!" and ejected

    I just had that yesterday...

    On 6/12/2019 at 5:49 PM, Ditto said:

    he who hesitates

    Yeah...not sure how that one didn't make it into the bible.

    On 6/12/2019 at 5:49 PM, Ditto said:

    Girl came in behind her, skinny brigade worthy short asian girl with the short dyed blonde hair. Damn, one girl out of 100 that was even worth approaching and she was 4 people behind me in line. Talked to the tellers, walked outside and decided to try and make an excuse by calling customer service (the tellers advised me to) while talking to the security guard. She comes out with a guy who looked so different that I immediately assumed it was her boyfriend. They walked off and I'm still banging my head against the wall. I could have just asked her about her brother. AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    Yeah...it's always tough when you prepare for one tough situation and end up with a different tough situation.

    On 10/12/2019 at 4:02 PM, Ditto said:

    I told my girl she should give me her number. No pretense. Yeah, I should? Yeah. The grin works every time. She stopped and put a number into my phone which I said I'd call but she was in a hurry to go.

    You should have gotten HER phone and punched in YOUR number. That way, you know it's legit. Make sure you let it ring until it actually shows up on your screen! I roasted myself on that once. I felt it vibrate in my pocket and sent her off only to find out that the number didn't come through...

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    Seoul Bootcamp 4/26-4/28

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    Great write up! You made massive progress over the training from barely being able to talk to anyone to looking like a very social guy by the end and being able to approach girls comfortably anywhere.

    Well done, my man! And looking forward to seeing you when you get back to Asia!

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    FRD: Ditto progress the damn sarge

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    On 5/17/2019 at 4:33 PM, Ditto said:
    On 5/13/2019 at 7:14 PM, RedpoleQ said:

    The way it works is that with the pawn, you never really go beyond attraction so when you open the new girl you can ask her something about the girl you're with, like:

    Does it look like this girl had surgery on her eyes?

    How old do you think this girl is?

    This girl (the pawn) likes your x! (In this case you can talk about the girl before you open her)

    Ahhh that's good! Do you usually have to do a few minutes of attraction before you can get a girl to follow you over to talk to other people? I guess acting like you do it all the time is probably key

    It depends how far you have to move the pawn.

    On 5/17/2019 at 4:33 PM, Ditto said:
    On 5/13/2019 at 7:14 PM, RedpoleQ said:

    It's actually not necessary that you open like that since it's a club environment, it's quite normal for people to talk to strangers.

    Open like what? With your arm around the pawn?

    Like the examples I gave. You can open with more "normal" things too because you have social proof.

    On 5/17/2019 at 4:33 PM, Ditto said:
    On 5/13/2019 at 7:14 PM, RedpoleQ said:

    Or you can eject and come back to the set later at the risk of not being able to find it.

    Ah these are my favorite kinds of choices, when all your options are less than great haha! That's when you really get to play with your decision making skills

    ?

    On 5/17/2019 at 4:33 PM, Ditto said:
    On 5/13/2019 at 7:14 PM, RedpoleQ said:
    On 4/30/2019 at 7:05 PM, Ditto said:

    TokyoTJ ejects from a 2 set where the target was really good and I tell him to go back and Line close her. He doesn't want to and tells me to.

    What's this about?

    Her friend appeared and I said I'd wing but he didn't think the set was going anywhere. He just needed some time to get back into it and get over his AA again

    Ahhhh, got it.

    FRD: Ditto progress the damn sarge

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    On 4/22/2019 at 3:19 AM, Ditto said:

    How long of a bathroom break can you usually get away with if you need it?

    5-10min. I mean, you can start texting on the way to the bathroom and then when you get back to the table you can check your messages more frequently because you'll be expecting some useful responses.

    On 4/22/2019 at 3:19 AM, Ditto said:
    On 4/21/2019 at 8:38 PM, RedpoleQ said:

    Social proof is your best bet here. Even better if you open her WITH another girl. In this case, the other girl is called a "pawn" and basically you bring her into the set, and then ditch her (sacrificing the pawn) once the girl you really want is hooked.

    LOL! That is such perfect terminology! So you just hook one girl and then walk her around and open another one with your arm around the pawn? When you ditch the pawn how do you do it without seeming like you're being a dick?

    The way it works is that with the pawn, you never really go beyond attraction so when you open the new girl you can ask her something about the girl you're with, like:

    Does it look like this girl had surgery on her eyes?

    How old do you think this girl is?

    This girl (the pawn) likes your x! (In this case you can talk about the girl before you open her)

    --

    It's actually not necessary that you open like that since it's a club environment, it's quite normal for people to talk to strangers.

    On 4/30/2019 at 7:05 PM, Ditto said:

    How do you deal with a guy who wants in on your set but can't focus on isolating the obstacle?

    Generally this will be tough if you opened the set and there is a language barrier, but in general, the best way to do it is to include his girl in the conversation. So, he asks you where are you from, you answer and then ask the obstacle. She says where she's from, then you ask the guy if he's ever been there, then if he has, have him talk about the place and if he hasn't have the girl talk about the place.

    On 4/30/2019 at 7:05 PM, Ditto said:

    5 set that looks like a 2 set near the bar. Open 2 by kinoing one and talking to the other and switching based on who is giving me their attention. Finally looks like I hooked both and then I ask who they're there with. 5 girls. Obstacle goes over to another friend when I'm turned around being told who's who. High five and eject because I start losing the set all over the place. In this kind of situation is it best to just try line closing if the target is good?

    Or you can eject and come back to the set later at the risk of not being able to find it.

    On 4/30/2019 at 7:05 PM, Ditto said:

    A good 2 set walks by down the stairs while I'm talking to TokyoTJ and writing notes. When they come back up I open and get some interest, but their friends see them and then grab them all, the girls walk out to the dancefloor together and TokyoTJ tells me to go after them. I do and am getting interest from one girl but it all kind of falls off as they start dancing and doing their own thing. The girls take turns trying to close me out of the circle after a bit and I just stay there like I don't care

    You have some options here too. One of the things that's different about night game from day game is that in night game, you can re-open the set later because typically they'll be there for several hours. It can be a lot better to run the set similarly to if you go to meet a girl and she is with friends. 

    You get in there, make yourself look good, but knowing that you likely can't get enough isolation to progress the sarge at that time, you eject and come back later.

    On 4/30/2019 at 7:05 PM, Ditto said:

    How do you hook sets that are dancing crazy? Wait for them to head to the bathroom? Maybe just BT spiking them in passing a lot, though sometimes these sets just leave early too.

    It's easier if you open the set that's already dancing. In this particular case they were on the way to the dance floor and you were trying to interrupt that momentum. But if they're already dancing, and have been the next thing they're going to do is take a break anyway so you're going more along with their pattern.

    On 4/30/2019 at 7:05 PM, Ditto said:

    TokyoTJ ejects from a 2 set where the target was really good and I tell him to go back and Line close her. He doesn't want to and tells me to.

    What's this about?

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    FRD: Ditto progress the damn sarge

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    11 hours ago, Ditto said:

    I guess what do you do if you feel like you want a second to think of a good response?

    You usually can't get time if you're talking about night game. But usually, it doesn't matter, you can just move on to something else because night game moves so fast anyway.

    If it's a slower situation, you can "shush" her and then look into her eyes deeply making her think that you're having deep thoughts while you frantically come up with what to do next. Also, on Day 2s, you can dip out to the bathroom for a quick huddle up and maybe some texts to get some support from the guys. I've done this plenty of times when things weren't going my way.

    12 hours ago, Ditto said:
    On 4/8/2019 at 7:58 PM, RedpoleQ said:
    On 2/17/2019 at 10:33 AM, Ditto said:

    While opening a mixed 3 set, a girl behind me spilled her drink on the back of my shirt. I kept thinking I could use that as an opener since she was relatively cute, but I couldn't think of what to do.

    Did you come up with anything?

    Not that night. I wanted to say something like "You should lick it off!" But at the moment all I can think of is pretending to sniff it and saying it smells good, what is it lol

    That could work! I don't think I've ever had a girl spill a drink on me, so I never had to come up with something for this.

    12 hours ago, Ditto said:

    But some girls seem to do this regardless of the guy that's opening them or how. Is the answer just more social proof and DHVs in front of them without opening?

    YES, exactly. Social proof is your best bet here. Even better if you open her WITH another girl. In this case, the other girl is called a "pawn" and basically you bring her into the set, and then ditch her (sacrificing the pawn) once the girl you really want is hooked.

    12 hours ago, Ditto said:

    What kinds of facial expressions do you use? Do winks and smiles count? Or stuff like being really goofy? I've tried being silly and sticking my tongue out at girls but usually that goes terribly

    Yeah, and blowing kisses, air guns, shy faces. The kind of cute/fun stuff that Asians like.

    10 hours ago, Ditto said:

    One thing about the club Espirit is I can't seem to get girls to go to the table that Prime's friends have. I can do my normal goofy openers and hook sets (still less than usual), but they won't bounce to the table and the ones I try to open with "we have a table, want to drink?" like they suggested, pretty much just say no lol. Maybe I need to make more eye contact, maybe it's the venue, maybe I just have to have that much better of a positive seeming presence.

    I suck with tables too, man. No idea why. Maybe just lack of experience with them.

    11 hours ago, Ditto said:

    Realizations:

    -I totally forgot, but not letting anything bother you and having fun is an easy and really big DHV

    -I really can hook 8's and 9's I just need the game to compete with the slew of guys trying to get at them, that and the knowledge of Japanese to communicate because they almost never speak English (and when they do I get blown out)

    Great realizations. Being non-reactive is a major marker of high value. And yeah...the more you go for those girls, the better you'll get at gaming them as you hone your skills.

    Good work and keep at it!

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    FRD: Ditto progress the damn sarge

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    On 2/17/2019 at 10:33 AM, Ditto said:

    I reopened the set and the boyfriend made it clear they were together. Then he tried to get me to join him in the jumping, I signaled that I wouldn't, smiled, waved to them all and moved on. (I assume this was the right move, as letting some random guy lead me would be a DLV right?)

    This is true in isolation, but you could consider that if you pace them, then you could lead the group later. Also, hanging out with a group like that might make it easier to open other nearby sets who see you as you could bring them into your group so while it might be DLV with that set, it could be social proof with other sets.

    On 2/17/2019 at 10:33 AM, Ditto said:

    Probably should have invited her out to a quieter area.

    Yeah, this would have been worth trying.

    On 2/17/2019 at 10:33 AM, Ditto said:

    Qualified her on her great drawing, that since I have no artistic ability I need someone who does to balance me out. (I was going to say so my kids can be talented at everything, but I'm still not sure if that's a really bad frame)

    You can add this on as a BT spike.

    On 2/17/2019 at 10:33 AM, Ditto said:

    BS palmreading fell through bc she actually knew how to palm read LOL.

    It's supposed to be a BS palm read, so you could just keep going with it and make it over the top ridiculous. Probably when she told you that you were wrong and she knew about palm reading you just cut the thread at that point instead of doing something like:

    Oh...then you know that this line means that you're going to have 15 kids with me or something else funny.

    On 2/17/2019 at 10:33 AM, Ditto said:

    Set went okay, target was pretty drunk and extremely compliant and wanted my attention. Turns out after 10 minutes or so, she had a boyfriend and the other girl might not have. How do you deal with that?

    You'd already isolated her? 

    2 options:

    1) game as usual and forget about the boyfriend ("Where is he? At home? PERFECT! I love boyfriends that are at home!")

    2) You could have then said that you're super sad and which of her friends does she think would like you or ask her if a particular friend would like you.

    On 2/17/2019 at 10:33 AM, Ditto said:

    Found out who she was there with by asking one of the guys,

    Don't ask the guys, they often lie.

    On 2/17/2019 at 10:33 AM, Ditto said:

    Ran into a 2 set of girls hugging, held out my arms for a hug from both. I thought it was funny but then one left and the other (a 4 or 5 at best in china) grabbed onto me and basically tried to rape me in the club. I figured I'd let her go at it for a minute or two just for the experience, but then the thought occurred to me to just directly ask her to leave and go to her place

    Yeah! The less you like her, the more compliance you should demand! Perfect!

    On 2/17/2019 at 10:33 AM, Ditto said:

    While opening a mixed 3 set, a girl behind me spilled her drink on the back of my shirt. I kept thinking I could use that as an opener since she was relatively cute, but I couldn't think of what to do.

    Did you come up with anything?

    On 2/17/2019 at 10:33 AM, Ditto said:

    Met Limonaide and co. and we talked about his set and what to do for a bit and then the one who was intent on having my babies walked outside and I told her let's go together, I wanted some practice for the things I learned in the sex seminar even if I had to sacrifice a bit of my pride for it. The practice was pretty awful. LR coming soon

    OH MAN! I can't wait to read this!

    On 2/17/2019 at 10:33 AM, Ditto said:

    I have no idea how to progress the sarge well in loud environments. Is the only goal in an extremely loud room to build enough attraction to bounce somewhere quieter? I assume you can't seed that bounce really if they can't understand your english, and all vocal communication is much slower and more deliberate.

    This is one way to do it. Another way to think about it is that if you build attraction, you can go back into the set later when they're in a better position logistically, or to use them as social proof for other sets.

    On 2/20/2019 at 3:33 PM, kanevast said:

    The palm reading girl - if she knew how to palm read and you were stuck, flip it around and get her to palm read you/teach you how and then flip it back by asking her how she got into it, how it's impressive show knows how to do that etc etc (qualification) as most girls don't and are boring.

    This is also a good way to handle it!

    On 2/20/2019 at 3:58 PM, kanevast said:

    Sounds like a great t shirt 'I went to China and all I got was raped by a 5'

    ???

    On 2/21/2019 at 2:28 AM, Ditto said:

    she mentions how her last boyfriend cheated and that's why she's at the club. I say that's not okay, you have to at least be honest. Relationships are only good if everyone is keeping each other happy and they care for each other. (Is there a better response to this?)

    Generally, I would just say, "that sucks," and move on because in the long run I want to set a bunch of frames around what cheating means but there's not enough time to do it well on the day 1 unless you get a bounce.

    On 2/21/2019 at 2:28 AM, Ditto said:

    3rd girl leaves, she's the one who doesn't want to have anything to do with guys opening her, how do these girls reproduce lol. Okay but seriously how do I open girls like these?

    Not all your sets will open. You generally just follow best practices. Clearly her friends think it's about her and not about you or they ALL would have left. So that implies that it wasn't your problem but that girl's.

    On 2/21/2019 at 2:28 AM, Ditto said:

    Compliment one girl's choker. The other ones dress or something. They are both okay attractive and I can't decide, and in my late night mind I just decide to give both attention. At first they seem to feel awkward when I "switch targets" but then after a minute or two they're both smiling a lot and really enjoying it. I know this is only attraction but I wonder if you can keep that up haha. I decide to get more practice and eject. I kiss the hands of the two girls still there and wave goodbyes.

    Just qualify both of them. It will be confusing for them, but you could definitely make a group chat with the 3 of you, for example to try and make it so that your whole relationship with them includes both of them.

    On 3/18/2019 at 9:29 AM, Ditto said:

    I like your blonde hair, why did you decide to dye it? Her coworkers all do. Ask where she works etc. Too much PIE and not enough dhv'ing, too soon.

    It's easy to make this mistake when girls are really responsive.

    On 3/18/2019 at 9:29 AM, Ditto said:

    It seems most of these opens where I kinda bitch out then come back go really poorly. Is this just some limiting belief that changes the way I approach when I do this? Or do the girls actually find it a bit weird

    I also find that my sets run a lot better when the girl doesn't know that I've noticed her or if I open in some way (like a facial expression) soon after she notices that I notice her.

    If there is a long lag between when she knows I noticed her and when I open it rarely seems to go well for me. My personal theory is that she creates some fantasy about what I'm like and then when I actually interact with her she's disappointed. I don't know if that's correct but the sooner I actually interact with her the more our interaction is framed by my purposeful behavior.

    On 3/18/2019 at 10:14 AM, Ditto said:

    My hands are cold, yeah I don't know why they are today. I'm probably dying, she should come with me since it's my last night on this earth.

    THIS IS GOOD! I'm going to use this!

    On 3/18/2019 at 10:14 AM, Ditto said:

    I tell her she's good, just hard enough to be fun. I instinctively draw back a bit when she leans in like she might try to kiss me. Not sure if that was too obvious but her friend definitely noticed. I didn't want to trigger ASD already, plus I was kinda turned off by how drunk she was. Wc close and she kisses me on the cheek before they leave.

    It's always tough when girls are being really sexually aggressive and you don't have logistics. One way to run, especially if her friends are there is to play the gentleman and say that she's drunk and you need to take care of her or something along those lines. Or you can tell the friends that you're really into her but she needs to go home because she's too drunk.

    The point is to make yourself look good.

    On 4/4/2019 at 2:12 AM, Ditto said:

    There are a lot of really cute girls that don't speak English

    This is very true in Japan especially and also in Korea. In fact, I'd say that in Japan the more attractive girls are far less likely to speak English. I would advise that you stick to gaming in Shinjuku, Shibuya and Roppongi to maximize your chances of opening girls who speak English at least decently.

    Most of the girls in Akihabara are super Japanese so they have no education and don't expose themselves to western entertainment media either. 

    Glad I finally caught up on this. It was great having you come out for the boot camp and looking forward to hearing more about your Japan adventures!

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    The 100% Responsibility Yoga88 Journal

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    Did you ask her if meeting only every 2-4 weeks is what she did with previous guys she dated? 

    In any case, she served her purpose of getting you through the winter! And now that it's getting to be safe to go out again, you can stock up on more girls so you're getting your needs satisfied more regularly.

    Tokyo Bootcamp March 2019

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    5 hours ago, Soupernoob said:

    Previously, I never imagine it would be that easy to get a date. I could just walk up to a girl, start talking to her, and not only get her number but time bridge also. That's an incredible realization. The fact that I could do that just after a couple of days and with only the most minor amount game is mind blowing.

    Yeah, man! And the fact that you got two dates just from one weekend of relatively awkward approaches where you had no idea what you were doing and my hovering around in the background, how much easier it will be in a more normal situation.

    Great work this past weekend. 

    Also, I second what @Romeo said about making sure approaching is a habit. Do this and by your next birthday you'll have a totally different life.

    Be sure to read @The Animal's approach logs. They're AWESOME for guys getting started.

    and

     

    I'm giving you access  to the alumni section of the forum so you can start your approach log too, post your FRs from the two Day 2s you had and ask whatever questions you have!

    Looking forward to our first follow-up phone call!

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    The 100% Responsibility Yoga88 Journal

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    Great stuff here. I think that you first have to decide if you're with this girl because of laziness or because you think she has potential to be a girl you're really into.

    If you're just lazy, then sure you could go through the motions of trying to make things better, but if you've already checked out emotionally, then it's probably a waste of time. You really have to rooting for the girl to do and be better. Form what I can tell though, it seems that even if she started treating you the way you want, you wouldn't be all that excited about her.

    It's possible that a lot of your ambiguity about going out and getting new girls is because of the cold weather. It's not even that cold here in Taipei and I didn't really want to go out much, and I know how incredibly brutal the Seoul winter's are.

    Now that it's getting warmer and you'll want to spend more time outside AND you'll see more girls out and about, it's likely that you'll feel a lot more motivated to replace her.

    In the end, only you can decide if she's worth the effort. 

    I'd suggest that either you keep things as they are with her and start seeing other girls OR you tell her that you confront her as @Ditto suggested and tell her gently what you're unhappy about and ask her what it is that you're doing that's making her act that way and what you could do to get her to change her behavior in the ways that you want.

    Sean Monthly Deep Reflections

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    It seems to me that reading all that western material has crippled your understanding of how things work with Asian girl.

    In the west, you can run a lot of your game strictly on attraction. Not true with Asian girls where I'd argue that QUALIFICATION is the most important phase. In the west, that's not important because girls are so entitled they think they deserve everything. So if a guys runs a lot of attraction and is desirable, western women will fall all over themselves trying to get him.

    Asian girls are looking for a guy who really likes and wants to be with them, hence lots of qualification. Playing aloof will almost always blow you out. They aren't interested in some guys who is just going to fuck them and leave.

    I think this is your biggest problem coupled with the fact that you run your day 1s too short. To really run a solid set with a high percentage chance of a girl showing up for a day 2, you need 15-20min. 

    Sure girls will show up on less than that, but the shorter the set the more you're relying on luck than skill. Also, that means that you didn't have time to run much attraction, qualification or comfort, so you'll need to do a lot of that over text. For girls you're keen on you'll have to text them DAILY. Especially if they're any good.

    Typically it takes 3 months of solid effort to get results and you haven't been getting any feedback to correct your problems so you have only improved the things you KNOW need to be improved (the approach) and haven't spent any time on the things you don't know about which is A LOT. This means that you've basically been doing the same thing for the past 2 months which is why you haven't progressed further.

    Congrats on your first date since your divorce! That's a great step to make. 

    And just to bury your age concerns, @quantumleap is 52 and he usually bangs girls that are around 25yo. He just closed a 24yo last week, so age is not an excuse. Sure, being younger is better...so is having more money. But you can be successful enough anyway.

    "Don't wish it was easier, wish you were better"
    -Jim Rhone

    Check out @The Animal's Sexy Summer Challenge and Winter Weather Hustle and you'll see what progress looks like.

    Good work and keep at it!

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    Sean FR thread

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    From what I can tell you're basically just opening and then fluff talking them and hoping they like you.

    What you need is more solid routines after the open. You keep throwing the burden of the conversation onto the girl by asking her questions that make her work hard, like, "Where's the fun?" 

    YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THE FUN!

    Basically, when you approach girls, you're supposed to be opening a portal of awesomeness for them to step through. You're not trying to join THEM. You're selling them on them joining you.

    You should make a list of things about you that girls find interesting (DHVs) and figure out how to bring those out early in the set and stack forward more rather than always putting the ball in the girls court.

    Good on you for getting out there and keep these reports coming!

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