relaxandflow Posted May 28, 2007 Share Posted May 28, 2007 This was my third bootcamp with Osaka Crew's Allusion and RedPoleQ. Both are fully bilingual, so can teach you game in either English or Japanese (plus Osaka dialect, if you want). The bootcamp offered night game on Friday and Saturday nights and daygame on Saturday and Sunday. I just did the 2 daygame sessions. Frankly I don't know where these guys get their incredible stamina and focus from, but I am grateful for their dedication to teaching the pickup arts. I chose daygame because I find that night game (going out until sunrise style clubbing) always ends up knocking me out for several days after and I usually catch a cold or flu. Also, I prefer daygame because it is more in line with my low-key nature. In clubs, you need to be VERY high energy, and this is hard to sustain. That said, there is a lot to learn from night game, and if that's your thing, then these guys are masters at how to work clubs to maximum effect. My first OC bootcamp involved a night-game module that was unbelievably awesome and totally blew my mind. You'll find it in earlier threads. Taking a bootcamp is CRUCIAL if you want to learn how to successfully pickup girls. Sure, you can learn with your friends, read material and make a lot of progress, but having a master by your side coaching you in real-time as you actually sarge and then giving you feedback afterward gives you a totally different level of progress. It is often hard and you will be pushed well beyond your comfort zone, but that is why the breakthroughs occur. Also, it is very educational to watch the other guys sarge and listen to the feedback they get. Whilst the Osaka Crew are master coaches, with bootcamps you only get out of it what you put in. Saturday Daygame Module: I was tired this day and my inner game was not so strong. This was due to insufficient sleep, and not much meditation or yoga during the past few weeks. Nevertheless, I knew the value that this training would bring and so did my best to participate and push myself forward. Here is my self evaluation that the OC make us all do after a module. We were gaming in Shibuya. Mainly in Tower Records (very chilled out environment good for finding girls by themselves or the odd 2-set), and outside Marui City (fast-moving street game - stopping girls as they walk by or were gathered nearby). Most girls we opened spoke very little English, but I always tend to open in English and then transition into Japanese when I sense difficulty or want to surprise them with my fluency to kick things along. What are Five Things I did Well? 1. Not blowing my own horn, but I am a tall, good-looking blue-eyed guy who is in good shape and dresses pretty well. That being said, I still have had a lot of inner game issues and lack confidence socially, especially with HB8+. I have made a lot of mistakes in field by taking a lot of US-based PUA material literally and assuming that I needed to go around being cocky, negging and working hard just to build attraction, when in fact, most J-HBs are attracted to me the moment they see me (provided my vibe, energy and body language is good). Therefore, a huge breakthrough has occurred for me as I've worked with OC in realize that I can just assume attraction is present from the very start of a sarge and just move straight into the comfort phase after opening. This I did well today. I didn't do any C&F, feigned disinterest or other counter-productive things. 2. Opening with the right energy. I think I opened most sets quite well today and in a relaxed manner. I didn't scare any girls off with weird body language or coming in with too much energy. One HB9 (around 20, baby face, long black hair, 160cm tall, huge Anna Ohura style tits, wearing good-girl jeans and tight top) blew me off point-blank, however, it was because she saw me break the 3-second rule - I stood there like a deer between the headlights and let her walk by. RedPoleQ pushed me in after her, but she wasn't interested - especially with me opening weakly with a chasing dynamic to the interaction. Because of the way I look, I just need to enter gently in a way that is not intimidating to the girls. As long as I do that, attraction is almost always there without me having to do anything - unless the girl is only attracted to guys of a totally different body type and look, which is rare. 3. Strong eye contact. I have got much better with eye contact now. I was wearing some lightly shaded sun glasses and would take them off at a critical moment in the sarge and look the girl in the eyes strongly. This added a lot of magnitude and was kind of like a moment in a romance movie, which I think the girls really liked. 4. Coming up with natural-sounding openers. I had a lot of trouble with canned openers, so now just try to open with anything that is natural for me in that situation. I opened one girl on the street with, "EXCUSE ME, I LOVE YOUR FASHION!". She was walking out of Marui City and crossing the street in the direction of Shibuya Station - a HB8 for me, just the body type I like (168cm tall, 23, long legs, big tits/hips, hourglass figure in jeans and small, tight t-shirt), spoke reasonable English and I successfully email closed her. 5. Just focusing on my desire for her. I had been too focused on the structure of the sarge and was losing comfort with the girls. Allusion took me aside and gave me a mini hypnosis session to get me focused on the feeling of attraction and desire for the girl I want. The structure is just the coating to give the sarge legitimacy for the girl's logical mind, whilst the most important part of the sarge is the energy - i.e. body language, eye contact and voice tonality. All of this comes together if you just focus on your incredible desire for her. Then, you forget about whether or not you are doing or saying things right and just flow into her. If you do this right, then the structure should form itself more or less naturally anyway. I did this with the last girl I approached (HB8 mentioned above) and email closed successfully. What Did I do Poorly, or What Could I have Improve Upon? 1. Qualification! I just couldn't find ways to qualify girls. My biggest problem is that most J-girls see the way I look and assume that I am a player. They just assume that any interest I have in them would just be superficial, just for sex, and that I could get any girl I wanted, so why would I be interested in them? Even with the HB9s, who know they are hot, they just assume I am after them for their looks only. Therefore, my biggest hump is to build a genuine connection with the girls and qualify them so that they feel that there is something special and unique about them that gives me a legitimate reason to be attracted to them. They want to be able to say to their Mom or friends, "he said he likes me because I am artistic and play the piano", or, "he said he likes me because I work in a job that involves helping other people", etc. I wasn't asking the right questions or getting them comfortable enough to tell me about themselves. 2. I was going for the email close without having first built comfort and a genuine reason for us to see each other again. I came off as a cheap nampa guy because I just wanted another cute girl to fuck, rather than having a legitimate reason to see them again. 3. My body positioning was still off. I was not properly locking-in against a background and then positioning myself front-on to the girl so that I could kino properly. So my contact was creating a weakened dynamic that wasn't passionate enough. 4. My kino was weird. I was still not quite smooth enough with my kino. Kino should feel good to the girl and "just happen" naturally, almost without her being aware of it escalating. I was touching her too lightly and not escalating enough. 5. My energy was too low during the sarge. I was ok coming into the set usually, but was not passionate enough when engaging the girls, especially when trying to quality, bounce or email close. I guess I was overcompensating - trying to stay relaxed and laid back - not be nervous, but came off as half asleep or not really interested. I fixed this with my last girl and successfully email closed her. Ok, I'm going to bed now to have plenty of sleep for tomorrow's day-game module. Thanks guys for a great day and for pushing me in because you know I need that sometimes. Sunday Daygame Module: We were in and around Shinjuku Station for this. Starbucks, East and South sides of Station and various street locations. What are Five Things I did Well? 1. Very smooth and pleasurable sarge of a HB9 shop attendant. She was model quality, but not my type, it turned out. She gets a 9 because she was incredibly beautiful, but not what turns me on sexually (see my perfect 10 post). I opened her very smoothly and was able to hold strong eye contact with her for extended periods without even saying anything and just vibe with her. Got her giggling and showing strong IOIs. Apparently, although I didn't realize it at the time, the store manager was hovering in the background in case I caused her trouble. She was open for me to close her, but I didn't feel the magic, so let it peel off softly. 2. Opened a 2-set of HB8s. One had a very cute hat on and I just stopped them front on and said, "that hat is SO CUTE!". HatGirl loved it and her BT went up sky high. They kept walking and I chased them. I was holding their hands and asking them to go shopping together and help me choose t-shirts. By the time I engaged the obstacle, she was pissed and started calling me "kimochi warui" and dragged the target off. 3. Got a good playful vibe going with a set near Cryspy Cream. 4. Realizing when I was BSing myself and giving myself reasons not to approach. 5. I approached one HB8 in Starbucks. Her BF came along and sat down. I introduced myself to him and shook hands and attempted to make small talk. Held my friendly frame even when he was giving me dirty looks and being unfriendly. Ejected with a smile from both of them. What Did I do Poorly, or What Could I have Improve Upon? 1. Need to open a greater variety of sets instead of just HB8 and 9. My problem is I sit there waiting for a girl I think is really hot to come by and when she does, I'm out of state and can't approach. Happened to me both days on this bootcamp. Doh! I need to integrate approaching and being social into my daily life so that when the HB8+ do come along, it's just natural for me and not like being asked to leapfrog over Mt Everest all of a sudden. 2. Need to create a genuine connection and give the girl a real reason why would I think she is special as a person. Need to do this through cold-reading or somehow eliciting values. My talk is all very superficial and nampa-style still. She just feels like I'm trying to chat her up. This is what eventually killed all of the sets I was interested in today. 3. Need to stack forward and progress the sarge towards either a bounce or a number/email close. I kept running out of things to say and going flat because either the girl wasn't hot enough for me to be genuinely interested or I lost confidence. 4. Get out of my head and all these rules about how I might look to other people or whether or not it's proper to be doing this kind of thing, especially in a store, with other people watching. Let go of my ego and my internal image of how cool I want to look. Just sarge for the sake of sarging and enjoy the rewards if and when they come, rather than being so perfectionist and results orientated. I got blown out in the set with the hat mentioned above twice (we saw them again later in the day), and they very negative way the obstacle reacted to me damaged my confidence. Allusion took care of that for me by making me go back where it happened and realize that I had created all the bad anchors myself. It wasn't all that bad. 5. Stop mentioning BOYFRIENDS during the sarge! Never ever mention the word! Or, when BF turns up, stay and chat with him for a while. Disqualify myself by asking him, "Hi, my girlfriend and I are coming here next week and I was wondering if you could recommend a date spot around here." That puts him at ease, because I disqualify myself, but at the same time gives me social proof to the target HB that I have been chosen by another woman. Then, if I can make friends with both of them. Invite them to my next party and exchange contact details with both. And/or, ask him how they know each other. He may not be her BF, so it may be ok to sarge her as long as I am tactful about it. If possible, shake hands with him and spin him around to beta-ize him in a fun way. Always stay fun, friendly and relaxed. If he tries to tool me, just hold my frame and see it as cute and funny. In Summary Although I did have some brief moments of glory, on the whole, I was not happy with the way I performed, but it was all my own fault. I was tired and so should have got more rest in the days leading up to this bootcamp in order to take full advantage of it. You other guys - don't make this same mistake. Not only is it your own time and hard-earned cash that you are spending, but the coaches are also investing their time and energy into this and they really care about your progress. Also, it affects the vibe of the other guys who are trying to learn on the bootcamp. Anyway, Allusion and RedPoleQ where awesome, though, as usual and didn't give up on me. They kept pushing and were great coaches the whole time. The other guys were also great - they both gave it 100% and ran some great sets. All in all, it was very worthwhile and although I didn't necessarily achieve a lot in terms of closes of any kind, I still do feel that I learned a lot and gave my sarging muscles a good workout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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