Sundaeh Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 (edited) At the time of writing this, it has been almost two weeks from these events. The memories are getting a bit cloudy, but I try to squeeze out as much yummy information as I can. EDIT: And it seems I squeezed a lot! The start of my rant is a bit whiny, but it gets better! I had met RedpoleQ, Allusion, and Kid44 on the last day of the previous bootcamp just before Christmas. Originally I was supposed to take that bootcamp, but a nasty fever prevented me from attending on it. The guys organized an extra bootcamp for me and , which was very thoughtful since I was just about to leave Japan. Much appreciated. FRIDAY NIGHT FRIDAY'S RESTAURANT I had winged with sparrow, who generously taught me some basics which he had learned from the December bootcamp (thanks man!). So before the first meeting of the bootcamp, on Friday evening at Friday's restaurant in Roppongi, I already had some idea what to expect. Our instructors, Allusion and RedpoleQ are fine chaps with whom it's easy to get along. Another TOC alumni, Renaissance also joined us, and we started with self introductions. The instructors were getting to know us, trying to figure out what we wanted and if we were consistent with it. It's nice that our personality and situation were taken into account, instead of just shoving some general PU panacea on us. I explained my ideal lifestyle (MLTR with pretty girls etc), and this session really gave me an incentive to reflect what I want, and how I congruently I'm proceeding towards it. Contemplation added into my To-do list. One thing which I remember from the initial meet, is that my nervousness was shining through, as it often happens when I feel there is someone more alpha near me. But with time I got comfortable with the guys. 2-set: RedpoleQ pushed my wing into a 2-set, and I was soon sucked in to take care of the obstacle. The middle aged obstacle was more than I could chew for warm-up, and running my standard interview questions kept her cold. She had some tasty looking ice cream, but she prevented me from having a spoonful. Also having a sip from her drink was not allowed. They were trying to blow us out and I felt very uncomfortable with the set, so I ejected after 5 minutes (could be less though, as time was moving painfully slow). 2-set: I opened the second 2-set, with average looking mid-20s girls, by talking to them and sitting next to them. Don't remember the details, but the girls shut me off pretty quickly, and even refused to give their hand for a bullshit palm read. I kept talking to them for a while, but got no answers. They seemed to be slightly amused by my strange gaijin approach, but their body language was really telling me to go away. Which they eventually verbalized in average English, and I decided to comply, as trying to plow through their bitch-shields was making me feel quite uncomfortable. I was well beyond my comfort zone with these two 2-sets, even though I didn't stay in for too long. RedpoleQ told me that I should have stayed for longer (at least 10 minutes), and reminded me about the 90-10 rule. In retrospect I agree 100%, as these were wonderful chances for learning to cope with uncomfortable or shameful feelings, and not be sucked into the set's defensive "go away" frame, and just run crazy game from my happy place. To-do: Have fun even if the sarge isn't going as you had hoped. 2-set: My wing had opened yet another 2-set, with HB8.5 in her early thirties. Finally something which was worth gaming! These girls were actually very receptive and enjoyed our company. I ran bullshit palm read even though my wing had just done it before I joined in. Don't remember much details, but I was enjoying myself. Allusion and RedpoleQ told us that it was time to go, and we left Friday's. There probably wasn't any comfort yet, but at least I should have gone for #-close. I had a wonderful time with the last set, but I was feeling somehow emotionally shaken inside, and I was getting out of state as we approached the nightclub. Allusion saw this and asked me if I was OK. At the time it was difficult to rationalize what was happening inside me, but it seems that I went too far beyond my own limits with the first two sets, which left me shocked. Almost as if part of me didn't want to believe, that I was actually doing this, expanding my horizons by continuing to talk to people who are giving me the cold shoulder. Me, someone who is always worrying way too much about other people's feelings. NIGHTCLUB RedpoleQ and Allusion walked us through the club, and I pulled myself together and started to enjoy the night. Here are couple of sets which I can remember: 3-set: 30-something HB7, nice body despite age, black gums (otherwise would have been 8 ). She was hanging with 2 of her work colleagues, very unattractive grannies. I opened them by talking some thrash. Allusion took care of the obstacles. Locked in with the target, did dance spin with her, and she spilled some of her drink on some poor girl. My target started apologizing and cleaning her with a tissue. I think I was pretty passive, just stood there watching them like it had nothing to do with me. I threw some comment on my target after she was finished apologizing. She told me "You are drunk!" in not so angry way, and I responded with "Yeah, I guess I am, hehe". I quickly changed the subject because she was letting me go away with that one! I bounced her to sit with me around a table, and luckily the obstacles didn't follow (damn Allusion, what kind of magic were you doing there?? ) I think I did some qualification, not enough kino, and explained my "I'm not looking for a girlfriend, I just want many friends with benefits" -frame (this one is from Neo-Rio) which she seemed to buy. RedpoleQ came to say that our time was up, I didn't number close, since I thought I was going to see her later. This one was closable. Mixed 2-set: Delicious HB8.5 talking to a gargantuan western guy. I opened the guy, who turned out to be really nice guy, and had practiced all kinds of martial arts. Still I felt quite uneasy about the fact that I wanted to isolate "his" girl. Allusion joined in, occupied the guy and I started to talk to the target. I don't remember what their relation was, but they were not a couple. I was unsure what to do with her, knowing that we interrupted them, and I didn't really run any good game on her. After a couple of magic tricks later Allusion pulled me away. Hmm, I should have made a stronger impression on her, and come back later. Mixed 3-set: A drunken Japanese guy was nanpaing HB8 who was accompanied by her female friend. I opened the target, and Allusion came to occupy the guy. I ran some material on her, bounced her couple of meters away, but somehow got stuck. The J-guy followed with the obstacle, and started to run his material on us. He was AMOG:ing me, told some joke which made the girls laugh, and I started to feel intimidated with my inadequate Japanese. I had no real experience in AMOG:ing, and my try with this guy backfired sending the girls walking. Allusion's pro-tip: should have girl coded the guy. HB7: I don't remember much about this one. I just remember that Allusion came to ask me once and RedpoleQ came to ask me three times whether I had qualified the girl or not, usually by asking her: "Do you know why this guy likes you?". Maybe it was my Japanese, maybe it was the noise, or maybe she was thick in the head, but I had to explain to her three times what was so special about her, before she could understand it. I was moving too slow with her anyway. Many-set: Group of Thai girls, who told me that they had been unemployed for some years in Japan. OK. At least one of them was a guy, I swear. I opened the set, quickly moved to engage the ladyboy obstacle, and finally engaged my target, a beautiful HB8. The set wouldn't hold still, and they moved on. 2-set: I opened HB8's friend HB6.5 and sat next to her. Allusion sat next to HB8, and after a while he asked me who is the bad girl. Whoops, it was time to change seats. Talking to my target HB8, I found out that she was at the party with her Australian boyfriend. The BF showed up, and I asked them to kiss each other for proof. They did a long and sloppy French kiss, I inquired if I could stick my tongue in the mix, but it was a no go. Time to switch seats again, and have go for the HB6.5. I don't remember much about her, I was more curious about Allusion telling his stories to a second gaijin friend who appeared later. Still there was some kind of connection with me and the HB6.5. 3-set: HB7Taiwanese celebrating her friend's birthday with another friend. My favorite girl of the night, cute and energetic, and she responded to my flirt, unlike most of the Japanese who I met during my one month stay. I used English with this girl, so maybe this is a language thing... Again, RedpoleQ was keeping the friends busy, and I think that my fellow student wingman also joined the set. Didn't try to bounce the target, and eventually we or they had to leave. Closable! Lessons to learn: Focus on kino escalation, proceed with sarges faster, do qualification and comfort right, and learn to AMOG properly. SATURDAY DAY GAME BOOKSTORE / CAFE @ ROPPONGI I arrived one hour late, and my fellow student was already doing great. Talking was done already, so it was time for me to go start opening them sets: HB7Ballerina: She was flipping through some magazine, and I opened her by asking about it. I wasn't feeling very creative, so I just ran my usual interview questions. I got a little BT-spike myself about the fact that she was a ballerina, and asked about that. All in all I was out of state, didn't spike her BT, so she just left. HB7.5Hostess: She was going through books about cooking, so I opened her with that. I don't remember exactly how I attracted her. I said that I was looking for a travel guide about Finland for my Japanese friend, and bounced her to the travel section. I did a cold read on her: "You look like country girl, are you from Mie?" She seemed very surprised, and I just made a remark that I'm good at reading people. We couldn't find anything about Finland, which caused me some sweat. "Shouga nai", I said, and somehow bounced her to buy coffee with me. She didn't seem keen about it, but I had my hand around her waist, leading her. We headed back to our table with Renaissance and RedpoleQ, who advised me to run the cube on her. Which I did, reading from the TOC instruction manual, because I didn't remember how to run the cube in Japanese. Her horse was a white one, galloping away from the cube. I didn't know how to make use of that properly, and I just pointed out the fact that I'm quite white and blond. Meanwhile RedpoleQ told me that Allusion wanted some cheese, so I bounced the hostess to a nearby supermarket. There I inquired about her age, guessing that it might be 28. Again she was very surprised about me guessing it, and I had no option but to state that "I'm the man". After walking around the supermarket, we figured that cheese was on another floor. Since I was running out of material with her, I just grabbed a jar of something cheap and bought it, wanting to return to my mates as soon as possible, hoping that they could give me some tips. I wasn't really spiking her BT so much, and I didn't know how to proceed with the sarge. Returning to the table, I handed Allusion's "cheese" to Renaissance. He commented that it wasn't cheese, and I had a rare creative moment, claiming that it was the hostess who did the picking. BT spike! I really need more creative moments like these. After that we went through a tiresome time-bridge / number close, but we couldn't really make her committed to meeting me later that night, only getting vague statements about seeing later. When leaving she forgot her umbrella, so I called her, and she sneaked behind me while we were still talking on the phone. What a funny girl. One hour later I realized that it is very unlikely that I really could have correctly guessed both her home prefecture and age! These tricksy hostesses, you got to love them! HB6.5 Korean-American: I sat next to her, again opening by asking about her magazine in Japanese. We soon switched to English, as I learn that she's from US. She was without friends in Tokyo, and I sympathized with her, and promised to connect her with my friends in Tokyo. Her not being my type, I really didn't want to continue the sarge just for the sake of practice. Instead I just wanted to arrange some friends for this girl. RedpoleQ was giving me advice from 6 o'clock, so I bounced her to the table with rest of the guys. Again I'm told that Allusion wants cheese, so it was time for supermarket bounce This time I actually visited the cheese floor with her, and bought the cheapest cheese snack which I could find. Returning to the table I ate the cheese by myself, since it was actually pretty good! It was time for debriefing, and the guys asked the girl to stay with us. "Oh boy" I thought... I started to get really uncomfortable, imagining how she must have felt when it came obvious to her what we were doing there, talking about f-closes and such. The girl looked uncomfortable, and my fellow student later commented that "she looked like she was about to cry". I totally bought the frame (?) which I imagined her to have, making me apologetic, nervous, and ashamed. For the sake of practice, I tried "hypothetical time-bridge" in totally lame fashion: "Now that you know what we are doing, would you go on a day-2 with me?". It was like I was saying: "I'm doing this shameful pick-up training thing, but really I'm not strange or anything, haha". Bad, bad frame. The other guys kept their cool, going through the debriefing like they were talking about yesterday's game of basketball. I needed that frame. After she left to continue finding her books, I was feeling internal conflict, and Allusion advised me to go after her. I caught up, and explained to her that it was a mistake to be so ashamed and defensive about taking part in the bootcamp. I told her that the core of pick-up is to become a better person, someone who is positive, open, and can handle a wide range of social situations with grace, and that there is no reason to be ashamed of this. I told her how I had overcome some of my own shyness through getting to know PU and those practicing it. I actually could reach her, and I felt the change in her attitude, as I informed her about our hobby. We parted in very good spirits. This was a definitely a good moment, something which I will remember when dealing with people who have strong prejudices against PU. SATURDAY NIGHT CLUB ASIA I had been here before, and that time it was the worst club experience I had had in Tokyo, so I was loaded with limiting belief. It's a loud club, and I feel that I can't run my game in such a place, since my game is still mostly verbal. Allusion showed me around the three floors, and started to push me into sets. That night's main dish was phase shifting. The first 2-set had a nice HB7.5, but again I didn't spike her BT much. Also I grew frustrated with the communication problems due to noise, and eventually the girls went to "get drinks". After that I opened many sets, but got mostly cold reactions and blown out. I wonder how much of that was due to my own poor state and limiting beliefs shining through my action. Anyway, Allusion was nudging me mentally into the right direction, and after a while I started to enjoy getting blown out. I don't remember the details, but treating people who act cold towards you in a cocky & funny way helped a lot. For example, this one girl who wanted to escape my approach, couldn't get away from behind of a table because my legs were in the way. So I lifted my legs a bit and told her that she needs to crawl under there if she wants out. Instead she chose to go around the table in a clumsy fashion. Not very mature of me, but it felt better than just thinking: "Blown out again, boohoo, I guess I suck". Similar obnoxious acts of cockiness ensued, nothing too severe, and I was finally starting to enjoy my evening. 2-set: My partner had just opened this set, and I was pulled in to occupy a HB8.5. Wow! I don't remember the details, but I was doing well with her. I think her friend pulled my target away soon. Damn, she was one of the prettier girls who I saw that night. HB8.5singleMother: This young girl was having a good time. She was walking towards the bar, and I asked her if she spoke any English (no). She kept going backwards, still facing me, gradually slowing down. Somehow she was hooked on me, and she started to approach even though we had distance of 2 meters and I though I had lost her. I locked in against a pillar, started my kino pretty strong, which she accepted. I ran the bullshit palm read about 12 children on her, and she told me that she was a single mother with one kid already. The child was sleeping at the grandma's while mom was having a blast. She was quite hot, and I couldn't have guessed anything like that. Out of blue she announced that the baby came out through caesarian section, which might have been implied message about her downstairs being still properly intact. Allusion advised me to go caveman on her, which I did with good results. Don't remember if she had to go see her friend or if Allusion urged me to move on to the next set. She was perhaps the best sarge of my night. HB7chibiko: I ran into this girl three times during the night. On the first two times she was alone, and on the third time she was with her male colleague. My first attempt on her was pretty lame. Not much BT, she was very shy, and I couldn't build comfort. She ejected. On the second time, I locked in, but she was going away. Allusion stopped her, told her something, and led her to me, and the sarge went on. Later Allusion told me that he had just told her that I was "safe". I was impressed, as it worked like magic. I remember bouncing her a bit until she had to go to the bathroom. Third time I met her with the male colleague, who got occupied by Allusion/RedpoleQ. I went for timebridge, but it was complicated since she was busy with work and I was about to leave Japan, so I just extracted her contact info. SUNDAY DAY GAME STARBUCKS @ SHINJUKU 2-set: After some fooling around, I opened a 2-set and sat next to my target, and soon afterwards I pulled in my wingman. I actually had more common things with the obstacle, but my HB8 target was beautiful, and I found out that she actually was a weather report girl in some small TV channel. Nice! After some talking, third girl joined in. They were waiting for a "Becoming 20 years old" party to start nearby with their friends. We bounced them into Crispy Creme at next door, only to find that the waiting line was too long. Still being a bit too reliant on other people's help, I called RedpoleQ who advised us to go to a neighboring interior design shop. In the shop I sat down with my target, while my wing and the instructors were taking care of the other girls. I drew a quick portrait of her, which was a great experience. The moment was charged with some kind of sexual tension, as she was drowning in to my eyes with a perfect smile on her face while I was drawing her picture. I think that it was at this point when I got her email address, without timebridging however. A mistake. I was liking the girl too much, and I was getting pretty AFC with her. It was almost time for the girls to go, and instead of going with my own pace and continuing with the sarge, I went with my target to inform her friends that it was time to go. Somehow I had taken it to be my duty to get the girls into the party in time. We escorted the girls outside, and I was very AFC in trying hastily to get a some kind of fumbled timebridge. I asked for a kiss on my cheek, but it was at this point when she mentioned that she had a boyfriend. The girls were moving on, but I was desperately trying to continue my communication, even to a point where I lightly hung on to her hand/clothing for a second or two as she was walking away. Not good! I got valid feedback from RedpoleQ that I had proceeded too slow with the sarge. Indeed I should have escalated the kino, do the comfort properly, seed the timebridge, and without all that AFC stuff. Having fun with sets: I was disappointed with me fumbling up such a nice set, but I wasn't discouraged. Instead I started to do "kamikaze approaches" on girls, with full of energy, strong kino and a mouth that just wouldn't shut up. First girl I grabbed by the waist, kept talking thrash, and guided her upstairs in the interior design shop, to sit on a sofa with me. She was amused, but after some talking she decided to eject. No problem. One shy girl got spooked of my frisky approach and ran away from me, even though I didn't really kino her much. I had a nice time with a two set who I approached from behind, grabbing their waist, and started talking which really didn't give them a chance to evade me. They told me that they were about to meet their boyfriends, I just said "Sure, lets go meet them", and bounced them around the shop a bit, while firmly holding them by their waist. They were entertained by my crazy gaijin act, but eventually I had to let them go. Not very good game, but I was enjoying myself. And so were the women! HB7: I opened her with fashion and design related material. She was a shy, cute girl, who was into me, I could see. Very quickly her friend joined her, as they were looking for a present for another friend. I was making suggestions about the present, and at the same time I was trying to bounce them into the Starbucks. My target was keen, but her friend was not. Luckily before things got too hairy, RedpoleQ came to the rescue, and she swept the obstacle away with his energy. It was magnificent to see him work with that tough broad. She was very against it, but RedpoleQ did his magic and we bounced them next to Starbucks. At first the obstacle wasn't coming in, but RedpoleQ managed that too. We bought drinks for ourselves (girls didn't), and kept talking. After a while the girls stepped outside and were leaving, but we (mostly RedpoleQ), got them to stop outside for final desperate timebridge attempt, even though there was a freezing cold wind. My target was keen, but somehow we couldn't get her to agree on any time, or even give her contact info. In the end we just pushed them away. Seeing RedpoleQ in action was a very valuable lesson for me, how persuasive one can be with the skills and the right momentum. Unfortunately I don't remember details of what he said or how he behaved. This is something I want to witness more, and learn from it. After this it was time for debriefing. It's difficult to explain, but after the first set I gradually got rid of my inhibitions, was able to act very silly, and somehow I felt very charged with energy. This is a great state, but I reach it way too rarely. With guys like Allusion and RedpoleQ it's easier, but I want to learn to get there by myself! Going to continue with my sarging. PROPS Big thanks for Allusion, RedpoleQ, , and Renaissance for the bootcamp! It was the shiniest highlight of my one month trip. I also wish to express thanks to all the wonderful PU guys who I met this time (sparrow, Walrus, R&F, JayKay, jmal, ...). Your friendliness and positive spirit is a great example for us all. And Kid44, I'm looking forward to see you in the Sexual Mastery Seminar! Edited March 9, 2008 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renaissance Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 It was great observing your bootcamp man I think you really have it in you to develop some great game! The glimpses of the V.Alpha Sundaeh I saw already looked Epic. Too bad you've left Japan already. Would have been cool to run some game together. Good luck with it in Finland! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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