Jhuang17 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 (edited) Field Report: Hardest Weekend Since I Started Gaming Again Context: For those of you that know me, you know my story. For those that need further context, I had gotten out of a long-term exclusive relationship back in May and it had messed head. Afterwards, I had a chance to learn from Mystery and take a bootcamp with him. Prior to that, I was very inconsistent at game. I would go out hard with Kane for 7 nights straight and end up getting a lay but afterwards I would either voluntarily or involuntarily mess up with my own progress. Due to my weird life situation, I've rarely settled down to a set routine or even city for more than 3 months so I lost a lot of the momentum that I needed to propel me forward. Anyways, after having taken a bootcamp from Mystery (it wasn't all that great to be honest) I just felt a sudden fire light up on my ass which compelled me to go out and game consistently. Prior to this night, my game momentum was flowing and I was hooking sets on a regular basis as well as get very compliant instagram/wechat/number closes so I was quite confident that my game was on an upwards trajectory. At the same time, I felt a sense of nervousness build up in me because I felt a pressure that I HAVE TO BE BETTER EVERY WEEKEND. Currently, I am based in Boston. But due to the winter holidays and Boston being a student town, there isn't much opportunity to go sagging but fortunately a guy from this very community started running masterminds in NYC so I decided to met up with them as well as a new student of Kane's in order to game. Since I've come back to America and learned from Mystery, my game is acclimating to the environment so it is becoming more westernized and I had forgotten the grind of plowing through avoidant Fobby Asian girls. Anyways, I went too Mission Nightclub (a NYC-based nightclub that literally felt like a miniature reincarnation of Seoul's Octagon) and I was so shocked by the types of reactions that I got from girls that I kind of fucked me in the head a bit and I started questioning my game and myself. The second night I went to a western nightclub called 230 Fifth in New York but due to the mind fuck from Friday night my mental state wasn't right which affected my delivery. Anyways, here is my field report from last weekend - the most difficult weekend that I've had in a long, long while. First Night Out: MISSION Nightclub 1. Chinese Set (This was a warm-up set) Going into the nightclub and seeing how different it was from the Western venues coupled with my self-imposed mental pressure to perform at an improve level definitely affected my ability to game with a relaxed mindset. While normally, I would head into the club and approach the first set I see and then go on a sarge rampage, this night I was a bit hesitant. I waited for like 5 minutes and talked to my wing before I could get the courage to make my first approach. At the time I saw a set standing near the entrance and I approached them. Me: "Hey guys! Let me guess you are definitely from China" HB: "Yes!" Me: "Me too!" *high five* ----- should've done a spin Me: "You know how I can tell, you're friend she has a super Shanghai style" HB: "haha haha where are you from?" Me: "Guess!" HB: "China too" Me: "Africa" Thinking back on this I should've been more cheeky and used the said "Africa" in Chinese but next time. Afterwards I am not sure exactly what went down but it's likely that I didn't really know any BT-spikes so that I ended up skipping qualification and going straight to asking comfort interview style questions. I guess my main question and problem from this set was that I didn't really know how to handle the obstacle (I mistakenly didn't bring my wing in because the set hadn't hooked) and I simply didn't know what to do due to a lack of BT spikes. What I could've done with this set was come in with better energy, planned and rehearsed a couple of non-verbal BT-spikes, and then qualified them before I go into my default interview mode style. Thoughts? 2. Korean Big Group Set Completely forgot about this set, so the details are quite blurry. I think I approached the set and opened my girl with "Hey, I had to come over here and introduce myself... because ..it seems to me that... you guys have great energy!" The challenge with this type of opener is that it doesn't seem that suitable for a incredibly loud and high energy club environment. Me: "Hey, I had to come over here and introduce myself... because ..it seems to me that... you guys have great energy!" - I did this to the girl instead of the entire group. (maybe should've done to entire group instead) HB: "Haha thank you!" Me: "Especially you! You are dancing so crazy right now... I can't even.." "Watch this is you!" I then mimicked After I opened with this, I used my body language to mimic a dancing chicken. I high-fives the girl and then attempted to continue a conversation with her. During this set I think I brought my wing in but he didn't really hook and the friend then dragged my target onto the dance floor. Afterwards, I approached this girl later on but it was very strange. I was asking a comfort question and she responded and she was constantly giggling but at the same time she was like "I need to go!" "I need to go!" which kinda confused me. I had approached and spoken to the male friend as well as the female friend and they were "ok" with me, even kind of friendly but this girl was just walking away and giggling. 3. Two Set of Koreans Smoking Outside I simply cold read that they were from Korea saying that their fashion reminded me of the girls in Gangnam and then explaining how they weren't like Hyundae girls. This set got interrupted by the bouncer and the obstacle ended up dragging my target back into the club. 4. Kiss-Close Set This I think was my third of fourth set. I wanted to grab and drink because I was getting thirsty. During the bar I saw a cute two set, originally, I wanted to go to the friend who was hotter, but I ended going an error in my opening caused me to end up with the less attractive one. Despite this, I still decided to continue gaming because I wanted to run my routine stack. Me: “Hey! My friend Jackson, he’s quite shy, but he thinks you are incredibly cute.” HB: “Thank you!” Me: “Let me bring him over.” I took two steps back, did a salsa turn, and walked back in. Me: “Hi! My I am the friend!” HB: “Hello!” Me: “I came over here because I thought you guys have really great energy!” HB: “Ha-ha Thank you!” Me: “From your fashion, I can definitely tell that your Chinese” HB: “ha-ha yes I am” Me: “Me Too!” *high fived her* Me: “Where in China are you from? You look from Inner Mongolian” *I said this because she was short and girls from inner Mongolia are quite tall. HB: “Ha-ha no I am from Ningbo!” Me, my face lit up because I’m from nearby: “No way! I am from Shanghai so happy to find my East China buddy. So, I guess you must be an amazing rice cake chef” At this moment, my wingman came in and hooked the friend. Although he wasn’t able to get her to stay for a very long time and left, the friend literally just left her to me. Me: “Ha-ha so I am actually here celebrating my birthday!” HB: “That’s the reason I am here, it’s my friend’s birthday!” Me: “Oh happy birthday to her! What did you guys do?” HB: “blah blah blah.. and you!” Me: “Yes! I had one of the best cakes ever. My friends Laria, Sara, and Fifi took me to this high-end French restaurant” I then took out my phone and proceeded to show her pictures of the food culminating with the birthday cake, which was a cake that was lit on fire.” HB: “Wow that looks really good!” Me: “Yea, it was one of the best high-end French restaurants I’ve ever been to. For your friend, she should definitely go here for her cake…. What kind of food do you like?” Afterwards, I essentially ran comfort and qualification on her. The cool thing was that I was super in the moment that I had completely forgotten about gambits and even structure. I just was genuine and only focused on Kino-escalation. I found out that she grew up in Flushing which I then noted its where all the best Asian restaurants are. While this wasn’t specifically a DHV fact, it was definitely a comfort statement. By having this knowledge, she definitely felt more of a connection. Afterwards, we joked about how it was nearly impossible to find legit spicy Asian food on the East Coast and I future projected that we would eat hot pot together. Then we exchange stories about “many growing up” which I also related towards her because she had moved to America in her teens. This story helped us build a shared connection again. By this time my hand was on her back and I was slowly going down to the area right above her butt. After we had reached this moment, WeChat (number) closed her. During this process, I realized that I had been in set for a good 20 minutes, so I decided to run my DHV story followed by Beckster’s routine. DHV Story A years ago, my New Year’s resolution was to do something that scares me. So, my ex-girlfriend at the time was celebrating her birthday, I was like “hey babe what would you want for you present” and she was like “surprise me” So, I booked a trip to Cancun to take her skydiving. To be honest, skydiving scares the crap out of me. Originally the plan was to see the Aztec Ruins because she needed to take photos for her Instagram. Don’t make fun of her, but that’s how she made her living. So that day, she said man the sky looks so beautiful “I wish we could go skydiving.” HB: “Wow, I want to go skydiving with my boyfriend” Me: “Your boyfriend?” HB: “I mean my future boyfriend!” Me: “You have great taste” *high fived and then held her hand* So, I called, hoping that they wouldn’t answer, because it was getting late. Then they picked up the phone and I was like damn “I guess I’m going skydiving” I kid you not, sky diving was one of the best, most liberating experiences, I’ve ever done. On the way back home, I sat next to another rapper. So, we start doing some rhymes together, and my ex-girlfriend looks at and said, “don’t do it.” The whole plane started looking at us because it was the first time, they’d seen a bilingual freestyle. So, the guy I met on the plane, he’s still one of my good friends, he started his own hedge fund. And sometimes we do business together. Following this story, I was pushing my Kino levels to where my hand was firmly placed on the small opening of her dress on her lower back. I used to get nervous about maintaining this type of Kino, but for this time I could easily tell based her based on her compliance as well as noticeable IOIs that this girl was definitely into me. Afterwards, I decided to run Beckster’s routine. Beckster’s Routine Part 1 (Pre-Opener) I was chatting with my friend (NAME) and we were trying to decide. To be wanted or needed? (Point to self on the wanted, push away the needed) Girl: Blah, Blah, Blah Oh why? She will think more. She has to feel what’s better. I want my friends, my lover to want me. (Point to self) The only people you need is your family. In your mind, do you think you’d want your lover more or need your lover more?? It’s a two-part question before I go Attraction (Self) or Desire (Trail hands up slowly) Girl: Answer Why (Smiley and Gesture)??? Girl: Blah The way I see it, if you go around the room, (hand on shoulder misdirect them) there are some people you are attracted to (self-point) but few people you really desire. Don’t you think? Girl: Yes I’m glad you agree (shake hand, eye contact) (then spin and lock in) Who they he’ll are you? Girl: Blah Blah (Qualify) Part 2 (Insert HB Name) it’s really strange. Before I get to know someone deep inside (lock hands), I got three criteria that I normally go by, but I can only tell if you opened and friendly. Are you? (Cross arms, lean back, smile a bit) I don’t like girls that wear a lot of make-up. Put a kiss there You passed or failed (depending on bitchiness) I love girls with lush smelling hair. (Put thumb up behind air, lean in, smell and take deep breath. Sometimes they reciprocate. If based on flushes skin, pupil dilation, dinner bowl doggy eyes. GO FOR KISS, If not push away) I ended up getting the make-out. I then further isolated her. But here is where I fucked myself up. I had forgotten to ask her what her plans were. I felt like I really should’ve tried bouncing her or at least seeding at meet at the end of her night. After we continued to make out with a bit. Below is my part 3 which I actually didn’t run because we just started making out. Afterwards, I was kind of flustered from this positive result so I didn’t really know where to go on afterwards. Part 3 I need trust, comfort, and connection before I go that far. And I only have lust at the moment. I see this is going to be a love hate relationship: you would love me and I’d hate you I love girls with good taste in shoes. But do you know why? Good shows indicate good taste in underwear. Trail your hand up through her body (non-touching, Lock-in Body Language That’s strange you have got the second-best shoes on tonight’s Girls: who’s the first? Me: Me And there’s a fourth (conspiracy Style), but I need to tell special people. Are you special? Mini-solation within club I won best kisser in university, two years in a row. I only kiss girls who are good kissers. (Pull girls hands so that she’s holding onto my waste, your hands are off) What are you? 1-10 Girl: Blah Blah Kiss Roll off after kiss: I’ll be back soon, if not, wait longer. We went to the corner to talk for a bit. Then two males came up to talk to her. Because I had thought that they all knew each other, I kind just sat back and chilled. I actually decided to befriend one of the dudes who said that the three were high-school friends. Although I believed this, I definitely should’ve asked the girl or at least prevented what might’ve been an AMOG. In this case I should’ve approached to the AMOG and said: “Hey! Nice to meet you I’m Jackson, me and HB were just talking about xyz” Then probably should’ve done a BLP to turn her away and then asked the girl whether they knew the guys or not. Instead, they seemed to be in conversation, so I decided to ditch the set. Alright there’s a messed-up trend coming where I prematurely eject sets due to a fear of not knowing what to do next. It’s between a mindset problem as well as a material problem. Because I feel like I need material for the whole night, when I finish running my routine I literally turn off. What I really should’ve done was simply danced more with the girl as well as run more comfort before attempting to pull her. I promise I will no longer let this happen again. My foot has been shot enough at my own accord. 5. Korean Three-Set I saw a three-set of Koreans standing next to the bar. At this moment, I was still quite energized and attempted to open with the same opener that I used earlier with the Chinese girl I made out with. After this I walked up to the three and said. Me: “Hey! My friend Jackson, he’s quite shy, but he thinks you are incredibly cute.” HB: “Thank you!” Me: “Let me bring him over.” I took two steps back, did a salsa turn, and walked back in. Me: “Hi! My name is Jackson!” HB: “Hahah! Go away!” Me, I was in a playful mood at this moment, so I kept on plowing. Me: “I came here because... I thought you guys had really great energy… You guys look like fun! “ HB: “Leave us alone!” Me: “What?! Stay here, I’m amazing?! Well thank you!” HB: “Hahahah” Me: “Based on your I’m guessing you are Korean! You remind me of the girls I’ve seen at Burning Sun (Korean Nightclub)” I then did a playful mimic whereby I danced like chicken and pointed to her suggesting she danced like that. The entire set started cracking up and then I decided to take the time, to talk to the obstacle using her to tease my set. Me to the obstacle, pointing to my target: “She must be the craziest one!” HB: “Ha-ha no! Leave my friends alone! Are you Korean?” HB: “Korean” Me, “yes and mentality”: “Hello (in Korean)” The girls then started speaking Korean to me, but I then told them that “I’m not Korean” HB: “Where are you from?” Me: “Guess!” *I crossed my arm and gestured her to body scan me* HB: “I don’t know!” Me: “I am from… Africa” HB then laughed, turned to her friend and then the entire set laughed Afterwards I think I skipped qualification and attempted to run the “attraction or desire routine” but I’ve realized that it’s incredibly difficult in a loud environment therefore I ended up premature ejecting. Right when I turned away I felt her touch my arm but for some reason I didn’t reopen. This set went well, but the numerous joking rejections I got really fucked with my head as well causing me to prematurely eject the set. Looking back on it I really should’ve pushed myself a bit harder in staying and plowing until the set is dead. Looking back on this I realized that one of the things that I did really well in this set was the fact that I came in with a strong and solid frame, was playful, and engaged in a bit of role-playing. Because I use to do acting, role-playing is actually one of my natural strengths, but I realized that in game, when I get all up in my head, I stop doing that. Yet, whenever I do, I get a lot better reactions because I role-play in a teasing, fun way. 6. HB Mini-Korea: To Be Wanted or Needed? - To be Avoided She came into the bar while I was standing there to get drinks. She had accidentally bumped into me, so I thought of a good BT situational open Me: “You should definitely be a football player” Her: “What? You are a football player?” Me: “No! I meant to say that you should definitely be a football player. When you came you bumped into me and I went flying” (I took a few step back to mimic the action) Her: “ha-ha No I didn’t” Me: “Uh huh you did!” Her: …. (Cold non-reaction typical of FOBBY sets) Me, at this point I thought I would try throwing in a neg: “Wow, you know what you are the beauty and the beast all rolled up in one!” Her: ….no reaction… At this point, I wasn’t really hooking the set and so I started to get all up in my own head. Instead of being playful and actually having a good time, I was quite stagnant, and I had forgotten an improv principle that would’ve been good for pick-up, the notion of “Yes And.” What I could’ve done instead was a BT-Spike where I insisted, she was very strong and made her flex for me and joke how she’s got the perfect mix of cute and dangerous (beauty and the best.) For me, whenever my set isn’t going well, I start to get all up in my head and then start going to my default mode which would be asking interview questions. I had tried to cold read that she was a student to which she said no and then at that point I was stumped so I attempted to run Beckster’s gambit. Me: Alright so before I go back to my friend, there’s this one question I have to ask? What do you think is more important to be wanted or needed? Her: AVOIDED! And then she just walked away. This set really fucked with my head because I’ve never had that harsh of a rejection before and, to be honest, it still is. 7. Thank You Rejections This actually has been a common problem that I’ve had with the great energy opener. Essentially what happens is that I open with my great energy opener and run a cold read (neg or BT-spike if needed) but it is met with a continuous stream of cold “Thank yous”. This confuses me. Me: “Hey… I just wanted to come over here… and introduce myself… it seems like you guys have really good energy!” Her: “Thank you!” *cold* Me: “Yes it’s the most authentic I’ve seen… Her: “Thank you!” Me: “Let me guess, based on your dancing style… you guys are from… Korea” *maybe should’ve said Africa* Her: “Thank you” Then I tried stacking other gambits, but it was met with a cold thank you, when I then attempted to stack to Beckster’s wanted or needed routine. The girl dragged her friend and left. My belief about this is that it’s either a problem with my delivery or my structure In retrospect, I may have run this way too fast and said: “Hey I came over here and say that I think you have great energy.” All in a single sentence. I have a tendency to talk incredibly quickly and ramble (more on that later) so maybe that’s a reason it didn’t hook. 8. Bartender Interrupt This was what I had learned from the debrief immediately after the night 5 Things You Did Well 1. I Went for the Kiss Close a. Yes, although for super Fobby Asians this is a big no-no. I just really wanted to get over my mental block of going for make-outs in clubs because it has led me to fear going for make outs in any other settings including day 2s. While I am upset I lost the girl, she was hot enough for me outweigh the mental block that I needed to get over.This is a serious mental block, like I was afraid of kiss closing all my exes even when we were in bed already. 2. I ran my DHV story once which led to positive response 3. I was highly aware of IOIs from the girl and did compliance testing 4. The Korea 3 Set, I came in with a strong frame and incredibly good energy. Additionally, I kept on plowing for a little bit. 5. I attempt to adjust my energy to approach in order to figure out what works 6. I compliance tested her and isolated her a few times 5 Things I Need to Improve On 1. Better Openers in order to hook ESL girls (Flash Game) 2. Volume and Velocity - After getting blown out consistently I was really confused and started second guessing myself. Next time I will simply go on a super rampage. Rejection means I need to approach the next set 3. At times, I think that I may have come off quite gamey where I’m just throwing in gambits seeking some sort of positive reaction. 4. I was quiet when my sets got interrupted, next time I’ll just continue stacking and stacking 5. Body language and vocal tonality, at times, girls struggle to understand me 6. Plowing more, like that mini Korean girl I should’ve just continued with her and BT spikes instead of negs 7. Bring my wing sooner in our sets rather than attempt to go at it solo 5 Realizations 1. Plow Plow Plow 2. Fobby Asian Game is different from Western game in terms of energy level and technique 3. You need to befriend the group, with complements 4. The one who approaches the set is the more loved one 5. The power of having a stack so that you know what to do next Edited December 27, 2018 by Jhuang17 Added details 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanevast Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 7 hours ago, Jhuang17 said: For those of you that know me, you know my story. For those that need further context, I had gotten out of a long-term exclusive relationship back in May and it had messed head. Afterwards, I had a chance to learn from Mystery and take a bootcamp with him. Prior to that, I was very inconsistent at game. I would go out hard with Kane for 7 nights straight and end up getting a lay but afterwards I would either voluntarily or involuntarily mess up with my own progress. Due to my weird life situation, I've rarely settled down to a set routine or even city for more than 3 months so I lost a lot of the momentum that I needed to propel me forward. Anyways, after having taken a bootcamp from Mystery (it wasn't all that great to be honest) I just felt a sudden fire light up on my ass which compelled me to go out and game consistently. Yeah the biggest thing is that when you are consistent, you make progress, now sometimes you're not happy with the amount or speed of it and that can be very detrimental to your results, but you do make progress, and the most basic thing about that is that you just need to keep doing so and the results will come. Your texting being a good example - there was some chick (Nancy i think her name was) that you were assuming would stand you up and then she turned up on the date and you ran off to meet her (we were at jing an temple that day), then you texted her a lot and tried to progress things, there were pretty typical bumps along the way and you made some progress with her, your texting improved dramatically as i remember RedpoleQ mentioning it to you and talking to me about it. There are many other times where you've engaged in consistent approaching/meeting women and gotten better and better results, the LTR you had is one example of that. Your default seems to be going hard at a particular thing and expecting massive results, some stuff works like this but for game in comes in dribs and drabs, you might hammer away at something for a while and be getting little gains and then suddenly the flood gates open and boom, big results. This is usually the case when you just start, if you've been doing a while it will happen less often because you're already more familiar with the territory. You've practiced a lot on the outer skills and gotten good at various things, what happens if you are picking up and reflecting on your results consistently is that you will start to notice certain patterns in terms of your results which make your weaknesses/areas needing improvement more obvious, the increase in results from consistent practice and an influx of girls coming into your life means that you start getting more action, which helps you have more motivation to keep working on things and makes it so you can feel capable to deal with whatever comes up because you already have a bunch of stuff you've dealt with to get to where you are now. Anyway so consistent practice with reflection (aka approaching regularly and writing FRs and then acting on the needed fixes) is going to get you the results you want more than short periods of extreme exertion. What made the training with Mystery not so good? What do you think should have been different about it to help you progress more or get better results? 7 hours ago, Jhuang17 said: Prior to this night, my game momentum was flowing and I was hooking sets on a regular basis as well as get very compliant instagram/wechat/number closes so I was quite confident that my game was on an upwards trajectory. At the same time, I felt a sense of nervousness build up in me because I felt a pressure that I HAVE TO BE BETTER EVERY WEEKEND. Currently, I am based in Boston. But due to the winter holidays and Boston being a student town, there isn't much opportunity to go sagging but fortunately a guy from this very community started running masterminds in NYC so I decided to met up with them as well as a new student of Kane's in order to game. Since I've come back to America and learned from Mystery, my game is acclimating to the environment so it is becoming more westernized and I had forgotten the grind of plowing through avoidant Fobby Asian girls. Anyways, I went too Mission Nightclub (a NYC-based nightclub that literally felt like a miniature reincarnation of Seoul's Octagon) and I was so shocked by the types of reactions that I got from girls that I kind of fucked me in the head a bit and I started questioning my game and myself. The second night I went to a western nightclub called 230 Fifth in New York but due to the mind fuck from Friday night my mental state wasn't right which affected my delivery. Anyways, here is my field report from last weekend - the most difficult weekend that I've had in a long, long while. Some nights are gonna be shit, some are gonna be epic and some are gonna be somewhere in between. The more you get better at managing each stage of the interaction and predicting the likely obstacles, the more consistent your results are going to be, you will however occasionally have the odd curve ball thrown at you which will just fuck everything up, ideally just try to learn from those situations. If things going shitty upset you this much, you really need to hammer on your inner game and practice being objective so you can better change things up to give you results that are going to make you happier and keep progressing at Game. Avoidant fobby asian girls - lol, great description. Mission Club - looking back, what were the dynamics at play that made things difficult? Other than you feeling unhappy about the reactions you were getting. It's important to try and figure this out, because you can at least manage those things somewhat, if you know what they are. 7 hours ago, Jhuang17 said: 1. Chinese Set (This was a warm-up set) Going into the nightclub and seeing how different it was from the Western venues coupled with my self-imposed mental pressure to perform at an improve level definitely affected my ability to game with a relaxed mindset. While normally, I would head into the club and approach the first set I see and then go on a sarge rampage, this night I was a bit hesitant. I waited for like 5 minutes and talked to my wing before I could get the courage to make my first approach. At the time I saw a set standing near the entrance and I approached them. Me: "Hey guys! Let me guess you are definitely from China" HB: "Yes!" Me: "Me too!" *high five* ----- should've done a spin Me: "You know how I can tell, you're friend she has a super Shanghai style" HB: "haha haha where are you from?" Me: "Guess!" HB: "China too" Me: "Africa" Thinking back on this I should've been more cheeky and used the said "Africa" in Chinese but next time. Yep, your 'i should have' thing is correct, you could also have said ' duh China, which part of China though?' and then spoken some canto or given some other hint to lead them into guessing. You could also have pushed the topic of Shanghai, if they were from there, you could ask which district and then tell them that district sucks and that you like X district better. 7 hours ago, Jhuang17 said: Afterwards I am not sure exactly what went down but it's likely that I didn't really know any BT-spikes so that I ended up skipping qualification and going straight to asking comfort interview style questions. I guess my main question and problem from this set was that I didn't really know how to handle the obstacle (I mistakenly didn't bring my wing in because the set hadn't hooked) and I simply didn't know what to do due to a lack of BT spikes. What I could've done with this set was come in with better energy, planned and rehearsed a couple of non-verbal BT-spikes, and then qualified them before I go into my default interview mode style. Thoughts? Why not use canned stuff that you've learnt before? Or was it that you felt nervous/uncomfortable and that that messed with your capacity to think of some? On my first few sets of the night, I always just try to make it as easy as possible by doing stuff that i always do, so I don't need to think of anything new or improvise anything. Usually the opener is: stop stop, you guys are sooooooo cute, why? then pointing out their friend is cute and usually then pointing to their clothing and commenting on the color and linking that to something, like you're wearing black, so you're the bad girl, you're wearing white so you're the good girl. Bringing the wing in - if you're unsure if it's hooked or not, then just ask how many people they are with and then tell them you're with a friend of yours who is really awesome in x way and say that the obstacle will love him, then watch her reaction, if nothing or good, bring him in, if negative then bt spike again by saying but too bad for her because your friend is gay or is scared of cute asian girls like her (in a joking fashion). You sound like you know exactly what you should have done to make it work, so im guessing the main issue was managing your emotional state so that you didn't lock up or feel unable to think of stuff. Sometimes this shit will happen on the first few sets, you've just gotta push through it, even if the first few sets blow out - so what? Recognize the limits on what you can do when you have access to X emotional state and work from there. I can't usually physically pick girls up and be super awesome on my first set or few, mainly because my 'awesome mode' isn't engaged yet and i recognize it will take a while to get it going, so just gotta slog through. If i'm gaming very regularly, it only takes a few sets to make it happen, if not then it may take an hour or few, if i'm really out of it then it might not occur at all and my sets may just be average/very meh, which is fine, as they can still convert into dates and bangs so long as i run enough of them. 7 hours ago, Jhuang17 said: Completely forgot about this set, so the details are quite blurry. I think I approached the set and opened my girl with "Hey, I had to come over here and introduce myself... because ..it seems to me that... you guys have great energy!" The challenge with this type of opener is that it doesn't seem that suitable for a incredibly loud and high energy club environment. Me: "Hey, I had to come over here and introduce myself... because ..it seems to me that... you guys have great energy!" - I did this to the girl instead of the entire group. (maybe should've done to entire group instead) HB: "Haha thank you!" Me: "Especially you! You are dancing so crazy right now... I can't even.." "Watch this is you!" I then mimicked After I opened with this, I used my body language to mimic a dancing chicken. I high-fives the girl and then attempted to continue a conversation with her. During this set I think I brought my wing in but he didn't really hook and the friend then dragged my target onto the dance floor. Afterwards, I approached this girl later on but it was very strange. I was asking a comfort question and she responded and she was constantly giggling but at the same time she was like "I need to go!" "I need to go!" which kinda confused me. I had approached and spoken to the male friend as well as the female friend and they were "ok" with me, even kind of friendly but this girl was just walking away and giggling. So..it sounds like you did well to begin with, her friend didn't hook and ruined it and then the girl was shy or nervous in front of her friends and did the typical Korean thing of putting the breaks on. Was there an opportunity to push for contact details? You gotta keep in mind that its your frame vs hers and only one is gonna win. Having said that, if this was your 2nd set, you did well, as you went from zero bt spikes to doing a bunch of them. 7 hours ago, Jhuang17 said: I simply cold read that they were from Korea saying that their fashion reminded me of the girls in Gangnam and then explaining how they weren't like Hyundae girls. This set got interrupted by the bouncer and the obstacle ended up dragging my target back into the club. What did the bouncer do? 7 hours ago, Jhuang17 said: Me: “Hey! My friend Jackson, he’s quite shy, but he thinks you are incredibly cute.” HB: “Thank you!” Me: “Let me bring him over.” I took two steps back, did a salsa turn, and walked back in. Me: “Hi! My I am the friend!” HB: “Hello!” Me: “I came over here because I thought you guys have really great energy!” HB: “Ha-ha Thank you!” Me: “From your fashion, I can definitely tell that your Chinese” HB: “ha-ha yes I am” Me: “Me Too!” *high fived her* Me: “Where in China are you from? You look from Inner Mongolian” *I said this because she was short and girls from inner Mongolia are quite tall. HB: “Ha-ha no I am from Ningbo!” Me, my face lit up because I’m from nearby: “No way! I am from Shanghai so happy to find my East China buddy. So, I guess you must be an amazing rice cake chef” At this moment, my wingman came in and hooked the friend. Although he wasn’t able to get her to stay for a very long time and left, the friend literally just left her to me. This opener is pretty cool. Sounds like you did a bunch of stuff well and are following what i've listed I would do by using stuff your familiar with and don't need to think about too much. Did you and Petch discuss what he could have done differently to run the set better? or was it just mei ban fa? 7 hours ago, Jhuang17 said: Me: “Ha-ha so I am actually here celebrating my birthday!” HB: “That’s the reason I am here, it’s my friend’s birthday!” Me: “Oh happy birthday to her! What did you guys do?” HB: “blah blah blah.. and you!” Me: “Yes! I had one of the best cakes ever. My friends Laria, Sara, and Fifi took me to this high-end French restaurant” I then took out my phone and proceeded to show her pictures of the food culminating with the birthday cake, which was a cake that was lit on fire.” HB: “Wow that looks really good!” Me: “Yea, it was one of the best high-end French restaurants I’ve ever been to. For your friend, she should definitely go here for her cake…. What kind of food do you like?” Afterwards, I essentially ran comfort and qualification on her. The cool thing was that I was super in the moment that I had completely forgotten about gambits and even structure. I just was genuine and only focused on Kino-escalation. I found out that she grew up in Flushing which I then noted its where all the best Asian restaurants are. While this wasn’t specifically a DHV fact, it was definitely a comfort statement. By having this knowledge, she definitely felt more of a connection. Afterwards, we joked about how it was nearly impossible to find legit spicy Asian food on the East Coast and I future projected that we would eat hot pot together. Then we exchange stories about “many growing up” which I also related towards her because she had moved to America in her teens. This story helped us build a shared connection again. By this time my hand was on her back and I was slowly going down to the area right above her butt. After we had reached this moment, WeChat (number) closed her. During this process, I realized that I had been in set for a good 20 minutes, so I decided to run my DHV story followed by Beckster’s routine. So you ran the set well, got a good reaction which caused you to become emotionally engaged to the point where you forgot to run game and instead just relied on your auto pilot (this is fine if your auto pilot means you do a lot of stuff right), ran some good convo/qualification and got some comfort going, you seeded eating together, got some butt action and ran the set for 20 mins or so. This sounds good, have you followed up with her? You should go out and try to have 10 sets like this, and then you will have X amount convert. I write X because there are lots of unknowns that fuck shit up, I was at a house party recently and had 3 sets there, 1st one went for 30 minutes or so and seemed to go super well, 2nd one was shit and went for 2 minutes before I ejected because something weird was going on, 3rd set went for a long time and involved changing venues. 1st set - no response from the girl, even though everything went really well. 2nd set - didn't bother number closing her, turns out she had a bf who came to the party later 3rd set - banged this chick on the day 3, she turned out to be pretty crazy though lol. Being a house party, it was way easier, if it was a club then 3 sets probably wouldn't be anywhere near enough, lets say i go clubbing and open 50 sets, I might have 10 really good sets and have a few convert into dates and bangs, might have 0, really just depends on many factors outside my control. Even if it goes well, it might not result into anything because of BF/other unrelated issues. So my point is that you did a good job with this set based on what you've explained, and you should approach more and more girls to try and have more interactions like this that will be more likely to lead to the results you want. 7 hours ago, Jhuang17 said: A years ago, my New Year’s resolution was to do something that scares me. So, my ex-girlfriend at the time was celebrating her birthday, I was like “hey babe what would you want for you present” and she was like “surprise me” So, I booked a trip to Cancun to take her skydiving. To be honest, skydiving scares the crap out of me. Originally the plan was to see the Aztec Ruins because she needed to take photos for her Instagram. Don’t make fun of her, but that’s how she made her living. So that day, she said man the sky looks so beautiful “I wish we could go skydiving.” HB: “Wow, I want to go skydiving with my boyfriend” Me: “Your boyfriend?” HB: “I mean my future boyfriend!” Me: “You have great taste” *high fived and then held her hand* So, I called, hoping that they wouldn’t answer, because it was getting late. Then they picked up the phone and I was like damn “I guess I’m going skydiving” I kid you not, sky diving was one of the best, most liberating experiences, I’ve ever done. On the way back home, I sat next to another rapper. So, we start doing some rhymes together, and my ex-girlfriend looks at and said, “don’t do it.” The whole plane started looking at us because it was the first time, they’d seen a bilingual freestyle. So, the guy I met on the plane, he’s still one of my good friends, he started his own hedge fund. And sometimes we do business together. Following this story, I was pushing my Kino levels to where my hand was firmly placed on the small opening of her dress on her lower back. I used to get nervous about maintaining this type of Kino, but for this time I could easily tell based her based on her compliance as well as noticeable IOIs that this girl was definitely into me. Afterwards, I decided to run Beckster’s routine Lol this is super MM style. Theres lots and lots happening in this routine, can you explain what you think is occuring and how it's going to affect the girl? How did the girl respond to it? 8 hours ago, Jhuang17 said: Part 1 (Pre-Opener) I was chatting with my friend (NAME) and we were trying to decide. To be wanted or needed? (Point to self on the wanted, push away the needed) Girl: Blah, Blah, Blah Oh why? She will think more. She has to feel what’s better. I want my friends, my lover to want me. (Point to self) The only people you need is your family. In your mind, do you think you’d want your lover more or need your lover more?? It’s a two-part question before I go Attraction (Self) or Desire (Trail hands up slowly) Girl: Answer Why (Smiley and Gesture)??? Girl: Blah The way I see it, if you go around the room, (hand on shoulder misdirect them) there are some people you are attracted to (self-point) but few people you really desire. Don’t you think? Girl: Yes I’m glad you agree (shake hand, eye contact) (then spin and lock in) Who they he’ll are you? Girl: Blah Blah (Qualify) Part 2 (Insert HB Name) it’s really strange. Before I get to know someone deep inside (lock hands), I got three criteria that I normally go by, but I can only tell if you opened and friendly. Are you? (Cross arms, lean back, smile a bit) I don’t like girls that wear a lot of make-up. Put a kiss there You passed or failed (depending on bitchiness) I love girls with lush smelling hair. (Put thumb up behind air, lean in, smell and take deep breath. Sometimes they reciprocate. If based on flushes skin, pupil dilation, dinner bowl doggy eyes. GO FOR KISS, If not push away I ended up getting the make-out. I then further isolated her. But here is where I fucked myself up. I had forgotten to ask her what her plans were. I felt like I really should’ve tried bouncing her or at least seeding at meet at the end of her night. After we continued to make out with a bit. Below is my part 3 which I actually didn’t run because we just started making out. Afterwards, I was kind of flustered from this positive result so I didn’t really know where to go on afterwards. Pretty interesting. So why did you get flustered about getting good results? Quote Part 3 I need trust, comfort, and connection before I go that far. And I only have lust at the moment. I see this is going to be a love hate relationship: you would love me and I’d hate you I love girls with good taste in shoes. But do you know why? Good shows indicate good taste in underwear. Trail your hand up through her body (non-touching, Lock-in Body Languag That’s strange you have got the second-best shoes on tonight’s Girls: who’s the first? Me: Me And there’s a fourth (conspiracy Style), but I need to tell special people. Are you special? Mini-solation within club I won best kisser in university, two years in a row. I only kiss girls who are good kissers. (Pull girls hands so that she’s holding onto my waste, your hands are off) What are you? 1-10 Girl: Blah Blah Kiss Roll off after kiss: I’ll be back soon, if not, wait longer. We went to the corner to talk for a bit. Then two males came up to talk to her. Because I had thought that they all knew each other, I kind just sat back and chilled. I actually decided to befriend one of the dudes who said that the three were high-school friends. Although I believed this, I definitely should’ve asked the girl or at least prevented what might’ve been an AMOG. In this case I should’ve approached to the AMOG and said: “Hey! Nice to meet you I’m Jackson, me and HB were just talking about xyz” Then probably should’ve done a BLP to turn her away and then asked the girl whether they knew the guys or not. Instead, they seemed to be in conversation, so I decided to ditch the set. Alright there’s a messed-up trend coming where I prematurely eject sets due to a fear of not knowing what to do next. It’s between a mindset problem as well as a material problem. Because I feel like I need material for the whole night, when I finish running my routine I literally turn off. What I really should’ve done was simply danced more with the girl as well as run more comfort before attempting to pull her. I promise I will no longer let this happen again. My foot has been shot enough at my own accord. You needed to ask the girl much much earlier how many people she was with and how they knew each other. Some guys will see situations like this as an opportunity because they think the girl will be easy or something. The material is just supposed to be training wheels to help you develop confidence to deal with each stage of the interaction, so...if you got stuck and don't know what to do, come up with some material to deal with that particular situation next time so you can deal with it. I know that sounds simple but that really is how a lot of this works, you're constantly solving a puzzle and trying to figure out which pieces go where. What was the end result with her in the club and then after that? 8 hours ago, Jhuang17 said: Afterwards I think I skipped qualification and attempted to run the “attraction or desire routine” but I’ve realized that it’s incredibly difficult in a loud environment therefore I ended up premature ejecting. Right when I turned away I felt her touch my arm but for some reason I didn’t reopen. This set went well, but the numerous joking rejections I got really fucked with my head as well causing me to prematurely eject the set. Looking back on it I really should’ve pushed myself a bit harder in staying and plowing until the set is dead. Looking back on this I realized that one of the things that I did really well in this set was the fact that I came in with a strong and solid frame, was playful, and engaged in a bit of role-playing. Because I use to do acting, role-playing is actually one of my natural strengths, but I realized that in game, when I get all up in my head, I stop doing that. Yet, whenever I do, I get a lot better reactions because I role-play in a teasing, fun way. You Bt spiked well and then got normal Korean resistance, from there you probably needed to get some sort of kino going that would lock the set in with you, be it a palm reading gambit or showing them something on your phone, simply because it isn't tenable to try and converse with the entire group for the reasons you mentioned. Yeah when you get all in your head you become negative and that's not a good experience for the people interacting with you. Being chill and fun of course is the winning move. 8 hours ago, Jhuang17 said: HB Mini-Korea: To Be Wanted or Needed? - To be Avoided She came into the bar while I was standing there to get drinks. She had accidentally bumped into me, so I thought of a good BT situational open Me: “You should definitely be a football player” Her: “What? You are a football player?” Me: “No! I meant to say that you should definitely be a football player. When you came you bumped into me and I went flying” (I took a few step back to mimic the action) Her: “ha-ha No I didn’t” Me: “Uh huh you did!” Her: …. (Cold non-reaction typical of FOBBY sets) Me, at this point I thought I would try throwing in a neg: “Wow, you know what you are the beauty and the beast all rolled up in one!” Her: ….no reaction… At this point, I wasn’t really hooking the set and so I started to get all up in my own head. Instead of being playful and actually having a good time, I was quite stagnant, and I had forgotten an improv principle that would’ve been good for pick-up, the notion of “Yes And.” What I could’ve done instead was a BT-Spike where I insisted, she was very strong and made her flex for me and joke how she’s got the perfect mix of cute and dangerous (beauty and the best.) For me, whenever my set isn’t going well, I start to get all up in my head and then start going to my default mode which would be asking interview questions. I had tried to cold read that she was a student to which she said no and then at that point I was stumped so I attempted to run Beckster’s gambit. Me: Alright so before I go back to my friend, there’s this one question I have to ask? What do you think is more important to be wanted or needed? Her: AVOIDED! And then she just walked away. This set really fucked with my head because I’ve never had that harsh of a rejection before and, to be honest, it still The opener was good, although she didn't buy into it. The neg was funny as fuck, i literally Lol'd just now. You being upset about her reaction - It's gonna happen, the issue is that you're taking it personally. You don't need to win them all, you also need to recognize you have a between 0 and100% chance of success with each girl and focus on increasing that percentage by doing as many things right as possible and by finding the girls who are more likely to convert. Harsh rejections - The important thing here is that you just learn from your experiences by viewing them objectively, how you feel is irrelevant if you're learning things that help you long term, because you're going to feel lots of different ways about different things. 8 hours ago, Jhuang17 said: This actually has been a common problem that I’ve had with the great energy opener. Essentially what happens is that I open with my great energy opener and run a cold read (neg or BT-spike if needed) but it is met with a continuous stream of cold “Thank yous”. This confuses me. Me: “Hey… I just wanted to come over here… and introduce myself… it seems like you guys have really good energy!” Her: “Thank you!” *cold* Me: “Yes it’s the most authentic I’ve seen… Her: “Thank you!” Me: “Let me guess, based on your dancing style… you guys are from… Korea” *maybe should’ve said Africa* Her: “Thank you” Then I tried stacking other gambits, but it was met with a cold thank you, when I then attempted to stack to Beckster’s wanted or needed routine. The girl dragged her friend and left. My belief about this is that it’s either a problem with my delivery or my structure In retrospect, I may have run this way too fast and said: “Hey I came over here and say that I think you have great energy.” All in a single sentence. I have a tendency to talk incredibly quickly and ramble (more on that later) so maybe that’s a reason it didn’t hook. You should be getting some of these reactions each time you go out and approach, I dunno how many you've gotten in comparison to good reactions vs entire number of sets. There are definitely going to be sets where the cold thank you is going to be the result regardless of what you do because they're basing their response on what they see of your physical appearance and initial behavior and that those things don't match up with what they think they want. You can make some adjustments on the behavioral end that may influence this somewhat but you're still not going to convert every single set. The talking fast thing - yeah, sounds about right. 8 hours ago, Jhuang17 said: 1. I Went for the Kiss Close a. Yes, although for super Fobby Asians this is a big no-no. I just really wanted to get over my mental block of going for make-outs in clubs because it has led me to fear going for make outs in any other settings including day 2s. While I am upset I lost the girl, she was hot enough for me outweigh the mental block that I needed to get over.This is a serious mental block, like I was afraid of kiss closing all my exes even when we were in bed already. 2. I ran my DHV story once which led to positive response 3. I was highly aware of IOIs from the girl and did compliance testing 4. The Korea 3 Set, I came in with a strong frame and incredibly good energy. Additionally, I kept on plowing for a little bit. 5. I attempt to adjust my energy to approach in order to figure out what works 6. I compliance tested her and isolated her a few times Great. 8 hours ago, Jhuang17 said: 1. Better Openers in order to hook ESL girls (Flash Game) 2. Volume and Velocity - After getting blown out consistently I was really confused and started second guessing myself. Next time I will simply go on a super rampage. Rejection means I need to approach the next set 3. At times, I think that I may have come off quite gamey where I’m just throwing in gambits seeking some sort of positive reaction. 4. I was quiet when my sets got interrupted, next time I’ll just continue stacking and stacking 5. Body language and vocal tonality, at times, girls struggle to understand me 6. Plowing more, like that mini Korean girl I should’ve just continued with her and BT spikes instead of negs 7. Bring my wing sooner in our sets rather than attempt to go at it solo 2. You take their reactions personally, sometimes it will be about you but mostly it's about your behavior and its super important to recognize this, because when you do you wont have your state all fucked up from it, you can choose the frames you hold about things. 3. Probably, that's fine, just keep practicing them until they're smoother and get better at having fun. 4. Great. 5. Yeah so speak slower, louder and make sure your positioning is good. 6. the Korean girl - maybe, assuming she gave you bad reactions because of your 'game', it could be she was there with her bf etc etc, so i'd be less focused on how i feel about the situation and more focused on whats happening around me to see if that is influencing things negatively. 7. Yeah, definitely. 8 hours ago, Jhuang17 said: 1. Plow Plow Plow 2. Fobby Asian Game is different from Western game in terms of energy level and technique 3. You need to befriend the group, with complements 4. The one who approaches the set is the more loved one 5. The power of having a stack so that you know what to do next 1. Yep. 2. Lol yep. 3. If possible it certainly helps. 4. What do you mean? 5. yeah for sure, you should actually make a simple stack and practice with it for like 50 sets, then change it up a bit, being extremely objective about the results i.e the mad scientist - it doesn't matter what the results are, getting data and making adjustments is what matters. Finished the 6 pillars of self esteem yet? Great FR dude. You should write them as regularly as possible, even if you're only writing one 1/10th the length of this one it is still good to post them regularly so you can make more adjustments more quickly and get better and better results. Go Jackson! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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