[Shanghai Bootcamp - TapTap Let's Go]

On 5/3/2019 at 4:38 PM, JBags said:

I had played a lot of club game over the years; however, I had never done it without drinking. When Kane told me that drinking was not allowed on the boot camp, I was a little nervous, to be honest. As we had dinner together at the Shanghai Brewery, Kane asked me a lot of questions about the types of girls I was into and what exactly I was looking for in a girl. Some of these questions were difficult to answer, as I had never really put much thought into it. Once we had established what I was looking for Kane helped me to develop some questions that would allow me to qualify the girls that I would like. We went into Lebaron early, and Kane ran me through step by step what I was going to do when we started opening girls. The first set of the night I approached the girl, (tap tap) ‘happy birthday.’ I put my hand out hoping to spin her, and she just looked at me and turned away. My body language was off, I wasn’t smiling enough, and my energy was low, Kane showed me what I was doing wrong. We continued opening sets for the next two hours, and I could feel that I was improving set by set. The main point I was focusing on was kino, body language (leaning forward too much) and staying in set longer. My final set of the night was a Taiwanese babe (at least an 8), in this particular set I focused on the energy of my open, consistent kino and stayed in the set for at least 20 - 30 minutes. At about the 20-minute point she said let's have a shot together, but as it was a dry boot camp, I had to say no. I explained to her that I’m training for a running race and can’t drink, that was fairly well received. At about the 30-minute point Kane came in and told me it’s time to leave, and I could add her Wechat. When we got outside Kane told me the reason he allowed me to add the wechat is because of I of how much I had improved over the session and that he could tell I really liked her. 

What I did well: Approached girls without being drunk, improved kino over the session, stopped leaning forward so much, became much more animated in my opens and gamed a girl that meets my standards. 

Improvements needed: Engage obstacles effectively, use my wing more, lean back and have more in-depth conversations. 

Realizations: Hot girls are just as easy as ugly girls.  

Almost everyone struggles with the qualification questions about girls, it would be extremely valuable if you started and continuously built upon a Perfect Girl Desire Statement, you already did this partially during the bootcamp with the list of qualities you came up with.

Yeah the leaning was a big issue, have you noticed this happening after the bootcamp?

We all have particular body language ticks that are hard to get rid of and the leaning thing is one that is the most valuable to suppress or totally remove, i still do this weird thing where i cross my legs sometimes in sets, its pretty tough to control.

You did do really well with how you applied yourself, especially without drinking, i've seen lots of people get really messed up by trying to game sober, so good job.

 

On 5/3/2019 at 4:38 PM, JBags said:

Day two started off with lunch at Peoples Square. Kane asked me to think off a few different date routines that I wanted to use in the future. Later on that, I was going to seed these locations or activities for future dates. The first step I just stop girls on the street, hold them there and ride out the awkwardness. After doing this a few times, we moved on to stage two, which was to stop girls and ask for directions to Starbucks, or the local pet shop to buy cat socks. Two university students I opened on Nanjing Road offered to walk with me to Starbucks which gave me some time to work some of my routines on them, I was able to Wechat close but couldn’t get her to agree to a time bridge. I continued to open all afternoon; I must have opened 15 plus sets. I wasn’t super happy with the quality of the girls around people square. However, there was a good flow of traffic which allowed me to practice day game opening.       

What I did well: Wechat closed 5 girls, used good body language, and qualified all sets and good BT spikes. 

Improvements needed: Don't miss any sets because I’m feeling nervous, use different material, and approach girls I like, use more kino and have a better stance in the set.

Realizations: Day game is possible; I like night game better than day game, and day game can be an everyday activity.

 

Riding out and pushing through the awkwardness is always really important.

It's important that you start mixing up your openers so you can develop the realizations that what you say isn't as important as the frame you put forth and push.

On 5/3/2019 at 4:38 PM, JBags said:

By the time we arrived at Lebaron for the second night, I was starting to feel really tired. The last two sessions had really taken its toll on me both mentally and physically, so I loaded up on caffeine and started the session. Kane taught me how to sexualize inset using the Strawberry Farm question game with girls. I tried using this in set a few times throughout the night, however, didn’t really have any success using this content. I think the reason it wasn’t working is I was trying to deliver this content in Chinese and was able to deliver it confidently. About halfway through the session, I opened a girl from Inner Mongolia (I really like girls from this area of China); I was in the set and doing very well. My Kino was strong and consistent; I could tell she was really enjoying interacting with me. I got her Wechat and came back over to Kane at this point I’d been in the set for about 10 minutes, Kane asked me why I had left the set and made me go back to talk to her again. I really didn’t want to go back and reopen the set; I was feeling nervous about reopening a set. Kane said to me “it’s just a girl, what are you scared of?” So I went back in reopened her and continued talking to her for the next 20 minutes. I was pleased went back into the set as when she was leaving the club she came over and gave me a big hug and agreed to meet me the following week. 

What I did well: stayed in set for longer, wechat closed three girls, approached every set Kane told me to open, independently open sets and stronger kino.  

Improvements needed: be more expressive on the open, smile more in the club and engage the entire set. 

Realizations: Be fun when interacting with girls and speak slower.  

Yeah it's always better to push sets beyond what you think is the limit, as that is where you get the most growth and get the results that surprise you.

With strawberry fields - if you keep having issues with it, use your phone to record the audio of you saying it and post it, we can give it a listen and let you know if theres anything that can be modified to make it work better for u.

 

On 5/3/2019 at 4:38 PM, JBags said:

The first task Kane gave me was to think of what were the most significant achievements of my life, my biggest failures and some of my biggest learning experiences. After telling Kane about these points, he helped me build a story routine for deep comfort. After we finished lunch, we went outside, and Kane said to me that the goal of the day is to go on an instant date. When he mentioned this, I was feeling really worried as I doubted I’d be able to do this. On my second set of the day, I saw a really hot girl walk down one of the alleys to take photos. I went up to her and asked how to how to get to Starbucks, and she offered to walk me there. As we started walking together everything Kane had taught me over the past three days was coming together, and my routines were working so well, it felt like I had a superpower. I established that she had one hour until she was meeting her friend for dinner, so I suggested we walk together around the area. It was working; I was on an instant date! As we walked together, I started to run the deep comfort routines on her, after I finished the story she offered to buy me a coffee at a nearby cafe. We sat down, and I started to ask her lots of hypothetical questions, for example, “if you could go to the airport tonight and fly anywhere in the world, where would you go and why? Would you buy presents for your friends? What would you buy? We sat together chatting for about 40 minutes, and then she needed to go and met her friend for dinner, so I got her wechat and time bridged her for a future meet. Kane came back over and told me that I had already completed today’s goal on the second set of the day. We continued walking around, and opening sets all afternoon, and I was wechat closing a lot of different hot girls, Xintiandi is a great place to go on a Sunday afternoon. We finished off the boot camp with dinner together at a Mexican place, and Kane helped me to sum up the weekend and what was going to be the plan moving forward. That was it the boot camp was over and I was feeling great! Anyone who is thinking about doing a boot camp with Kane, I’d highly recommend it, he is a great guy and these three days of training will change your life forever. 
       
What I did well: Open the hottest girls of the weekend, Wechat closed most sets, went on an instant date, used my story in sets, lead interactions well and good conversations. 

Improvements needed: Be more proactive, body language, smile more and eye contact.

Realizations: Taptap is risky in day game, Xintiandi is great and instant dates are possible. 

You did things really well during this session.

Generally after doing a bootcamp people find that their bottlenecks shift and instead of attraction or instant dates, they find LMR is where they get stuck (usually because they're meeting more girls and trying to close girls much quicker than before) however this is no different to any other section of game.

There are particular patterns that will emerge as you encounter similar situations, based on your Game and how you do things, so please make sure to communicate with us regularly what issues you're encountering so we can give you as much assistance as possible in overcoming them.

 

LMR usually happens similarly in girls with them saying and doing similar things, overcoming this usually just means tweaking parts of your interaction with women and having better tactics when responding to what they say.

 

Good job mate.

 

Keep up the good work! 

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On 2/17/2019 at 9:33 AM, Ditto said:

Jellyfish

Did some silly shuffling through the crowd to the music, smiled a lot like RPQ told me to in bootcamp. Tons of good responses and 2 or 3 easy opens that I didn't know where to take or I decided to look for higher quality girls.

One 4 set lasted about 10 minutes, short girl reasonably cute, tried opening across the set and I should have gone for the one in the middle, even though I couldn't get proximity to her. Set went okay, target was pretty drunk and extremely compliant and wanted my attention. Turns out after 10 minutes or so, she had a boyfriend and the other girl might not have. How do you deal with that?

Moops? -Club with mostly tables, a bar in the main room, and a bouncing dancefloor

Opened a couple girls, they hooked, but it fell short on momentum because all I could do is jump around and most weren't interested in leaving the dancefloor so soon. I opened a few sets like this and the third hooked pretty well and was smiley and complaint. I can't remember, after about 15 minutes of jumping, their interest died down and they didn't want to go off the dance floor. It might have been my mental state or that I was starting to get off beat at some points too. Eventually ejected and looked for other sets but didn't hook most. Held up one of the frills on one girls dress and gave her an approving look, she seemed thoroughly conflicted and left haha

Lol yeah smile a lot, can't let those normies know you're actually a robot.

It's good that you're seeing where you needed to do things differently, a lot of people struggle with this, i imagine your disconnect from the situation actually is what makes this easier for you.

On 2/17/2019 at 9:33 AM, Ditto said:

Jellyfish again

Opened a mixed 7 or 8 set on the dancefloor, my target and I had exchanged a couple of looks before and so I waved her over and she came, danced for me a bit and then took me back to her friends. Found out who she was there with by asking one of the guys, while complimenting them all. She was next to me but scooted to the other side of the circle as I tried to make sure the whole set was hooked. BT spiked them all a reasonable number of times and went off to go open some other girls while increasing preselection from my target.

While opening a mixed 3 set, a girl behind me spilled her drink on the back of my shirt. I kept thinking I could use that as an opener since she was relatively cute, but I couldn't think of what to do.

Ran into a 2 set of girls hugging, held out my arms for a hug from both. I thought it was funny but then one left and the other (a 4 or 5 at best in china) grabbed onto me and basically tried to rape me in the club. I figured I'd let her go at it for a minute or two just for the experience, but then the thought occurred to me to just directly ask her to leave and go to her place (my brother is staying at my airbnb with me.) She said wait a second and I said okay and went to look for my actual target. She was gone along with the whole set. I will say I regret nothing, but I regret it lol.

Opened a couple more sets, one 4 set I tried to bounce for food with my friends but they said they weren't hungry. Met Limonaide and co. and we talked about his set and what to do for a bit and then the one who was intent on having my babies walked outside and I told her let's go together, I wanted some practice for the things I learned in the sex seminar even if I had to sacrifice a bit of my pride for it. The practice was pretty awful. LR coming soon

You should NC her before you go back to the friends, just say that your phone is going to run out of power soon as the reason to do it, it doesn't matter how much power it has, they will accept the excuse.

Spilled drink opener - it's not ideal.....lol.

What drink was it?

You could use it to ask girls where to get napkins and then what they're drinking, it will be a little strange though.

Lol the rape experience.

Sounds like a great t shirt 'I went to China and all I got was raped by a 5'

 

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On 2/17/2019 at 9:33 AM, Ditto said:

Went to do nightgame with Limonaide and his friend. Shincoc was having a sleepover or something  but we are excited to game with him next time haha!

There were a lot of sets, and I didn't hook a lot of them well and ejected, none were truly getting blown out though. But for that reason there are probably a good 30-50% of opens that I totally forgot.

 

Playhouse - big Chinese club with really loud edm music and is either dance floor or a sea of tables

2 min set, opened some girls playing a dice game at a table. Tried to get them to show me how to play, only really got 3 out of 4 of their attention initially. When I'd get one interested, I'd try to hook another, and the first would lose interest again. This went on for a bit, I tried to get Limonaide to open a different girl himself to effectively reduce the set size, but it still didn't hook

Did some more opens that didn't hook because I felt like I was killing the mood by not jumping up and down to the music (everyone around us stopped lol)

5-8 minute set, realized that the only way I would really be able to open and get a reaction that wasn't frustration at barely being able to hear/understand my chinese or english was to open nonverbally. Opened HB Danson With a smile and the hand of god opener plus a spin. I opened her across the obstacle and the obstacles seemed happy but then repositioned themselves behind the target. I tried to grab Limonaide and his friend as wings a bit in but I don't think it stuck too well. Tried some loud communication and she was leaning in to talk to me, but I forgot all of the things we said. She convinced me to "dance" by just jumping up and down, and seemed happy when I complied after a couple tries. Everything was BT spikes and maybe a bit of comfort. Obstacles wanted to go get drinks so I did my best to help guide her through the crowd (from the back) and WC closed her at the bar before going back to the dance floor to optimize my time opening sets.

This reaction is normal when you havent been clubbing because your senses are overwhelmed by the environment which causes some overload on your ability to process and manage yourself. 

The initial 2 minute set in playhouse is pretty common, you're going to have a lot more shorter sets and need to be higher energy.

You can generally look at the type of music, the overall vibe and the amount of people and figure out how much energy is needed.

If its unclear, look for the people who are boring and seem like they aren't having any fun, then be the opposite of them, it's usually single men standing around using the creeper vision.

 

If they can't hear you, get closer, or use your phone.

It can be tough in loud Chinese clubs.

How far did you get with your kino on these girls?

 

On 2/17/2019 at 9:33 AM, Ditto said:

3-5 minute 3 set, all the girls were a bit standoffish but still interacting and smiling. Turns out it was a 6 set and they were with their boyfriends. Boyfriend 1 gave me a thumbs up or something at one point and I was like "yeah high five!" then later I think I reopened the set and the boyfriend made it clear they were together. Then he tried to get me to join him in the jumping, I signaled that I wouldn't, smiled, waved to them all and moved on. (I assume this was the right move, as letting some random guy lead me would be a DLV right?)

1 minute set, solo set seems interested and is pretty cute, but is telling me no she doesn't want to dance together or do any handshakes or the like. I keep seeing her while in other sets and she keeps looking at me but I don't know what to do. Probably should have invited her out to a quieter area.

After that sets were more compliant as I was willing to "dance" and did entirely nonverbal openers for the most part. We made our way back and forth between sides of the dance floor and did some easy opens on the way for confidence and calibration. One 3 set that was actually pretty cute did the no thanks 2 handed wave and was persistent about not hooking even after a few spins and handshakes and other silly gestures I felt like doing at the time.

10-15 min set, We went outside to let our ear drums heal and for a quick chat about how to proceed. Limonaide opened a sitting 3 set with 1 guy. Opened across the guy and complimented him first, it was good. He brought me in to wing and I ran some BT spikes and comfort on the girl about where we lived and studied. Qualified her on her great drawing, that since I have no artistic ability I need someone who does to balance me out. (I was going to say so my kids can be talented at everything, but I'm still not sure if that's a really bad frame) I started losing momentum as I wasn't thinking at full speed and stopped thinking of things to say. BS palmreading fell through bc she actually knew how to palm read LOL. Limonaide and I discussed what to do across the set and decided to bounce them inside to dance and find their friends, their friends turned out to be guys and they invited us to their table. WC closed my girl and we went back to opening.

The random guy bringing you in - really hard to say, it could be totally fine, you also have to consider that it may have been giving you access to the girls, which would be worth it as you could reDHV while there.

1 minute set - if she isnt giving you the normal levels of compliance, try for the one she is giving you, if none chase a different girl.

The non verbal stuff - the main reason it works is that its low compliance and more fun, the fun is what makes people want to interact with you.

The palm reading girl - if she knew how to palm read and you were stuck, flip it around and get her to palm read you/teach you how and then flip it back by asking her how she got into it, how it's impressive show knows how to do that etc etc (qualification) as most girls don't and are boring.

 

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On 2/15/2019 at 4:38 PM, Ditto said:

Got off my flight in Chongqing with my brother and we were finding our way to the train to Chengdu/waiting for it. Did a few bitch opens where I just waved or did silly things as BT spikes to get back into it, asked for directions once but didn't WC close bc I didn't really intend to go back to chongqing.

One girl at the restaurant we went to was giving me a ton of smiles every time I looked at her, so I decided to go up to the register and give her my WC saying it was a better translator than me. It was an easy WC close but I was excited because I haven't been able to push myself to try and number close most girls working in such close proximity to their bosses because I didn't want to get them in trouble at work.

Decided to be cheesy and ask her to be my valentine later over WC and she said no haha, started doing the bit about "I hope you enjoy your trip back to America, I don't intend to see you again." Then I just made a bunch of comments implying how I meet a lot of girls and she's really keen again LOL. She's really great practice for things I wouldn't usually text girls

Perfect.

When you're feeling chodey, you should just do whatever you can do to get the ball rolling....or...slightly shifting forwards.

Her reaction of i dont intend to see you again' is usually just a lack of comfort, also how did you phrase the 'be my valentine'?

From her perspective, it may come across as 'lets fuck on valentines day'.

You did a good job by just starting.

 

On 2/16/2019 at 1:51 AM, Ditto said:

Went to Chunxi lu with Limonaide and his friend for some day game. My goal was to find some girls I liked and to try to timebridge them, and to refrain from getting wechats of girls I wasn't interested in meeting.

First set Limonaide challenged me to approach a 1 set, maybe 2 minutes. Cat socks opener, either she left and I tried to get her to come back, or I left because I wasn't really interested. Good warm up though

2nd, again Limonaide encouragement, 1-2 minutes. Opened with do you speak English, will you help teach me. Could have been much more fluid with my words and BT spikes. Said thanks and ejected

3rd, opened a 3 set in the bookstore, at least 30 minutes. Opened the set, asked if the old looking sony cameras they had actually worked. They're traveling to Chengdu. Me too! I want to see their pictures. Target starts showing me pictures on her camera. Kino compliant but never pushed past BT spike arm touching and touching her hands. After some more BT spikes Limonaide and his friend let me know they were behind me and I tried to bring them in to wing, did some shuffling around of the girls and Limon got his girl to talk to him but one of the others followed my target with me and so I ran a two set the rest of the time. Did a lot of talking about the target through the obstacle and got into more comfort and asking about her studies and what they do. By the end she looked like she was trying to find ways to kino me back haha. Time bridged for coffee or a movie on Monday. Another girl walked up and asked if she could join us (how do you deal with this well? I wasn't interested) But then we were asked to move out of the aisle by a staff member so it saved us more or less.

Sounds like you were doing well.

Who was the other girl?

You can deal with it by involving her in the convo and using her to enhance it, either by pushing her to talk about herself or to tell you about the other people if she knows them.

 

On 2/16/2019 at 1:51 AM, Ditto said:

4th, Went looking for a 3 set that I saw walking upstairs that I thought was cute but couldn't find them, opened a girl by trying to read her book. She smiled and laughed. High fived and left

5th, <5 mins, Outside, walking 2 set that looked really hot so I thought it was a great chance to potentially get blown out and at least reduce future AA. Cat socks opener, turned out to be her mom, did the "does your sister speak English" bit, mom looked unhappy but daughter was very ready to help and smiling. Was going to try hooking the mom more but she walked over to a menu at the nearby restaurant so I asked if they were going to eat. Yes. Daughter had informed me they're from guangdong, told her that's where my family is from. WC closed the daughter and said have a good dinner and see you later

6th, 3 to 5 min, Limonaide wanted to see how I opened a sitting 2 set. Sat down next to the obstacle on the half a seat worth of space left and asked if the targets hair was green or. Yes it's green. Why? Some answer I forget. Asked the obstacle some questions about the target and made a few comments about the weird seat. Asked why the target was shopping on her phone in a mall. (she wasn't actually) High fived both, said something nice, and left

7th, 5 or so mins, metro on the way back. Girl sitting. Your earrings are really big, did they hurt to put in? No English, she still gets the joke in chinese with some body language. I laugh, she tries to ask me a few things quietly that I didn't understand but I apologize for my chinese (which I should stop doing) Does she live in Chengdu? Yes. Nice. Do you have wechat? Do you want to give it to me? Okay, exchange just a minute before I get off. Smile, high five, and leave

 

Why did you just leave if you were getting compliance?

5th - sounds reasonable, have you followed up with her?

6th Were you not interested? or?

7th Nice bt spike.

You should pretend you understand and offer some answer and then if its wrong she will clairfy.

Smooth interactions are more important than her understanding everything or you understanding everything completely.

Yeah stop apologizing for your poor Chinese.

How's the follow up with all of this chicks?

 

 

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On 10/15/2018 at 3:42 AM, Ditto said:

Got the the hostel around 3, met my 70 year old roommate who was intent on teaching me advanced Chinese, ran about 50 minutes in the dark, so I was in a good mood

 

lol, of course you were.

[Game/Life Update and Perfect Girl Desire Statement]

Looking forward to it.

[One of the Hardest Weekends In A While]

7 hours ago, Jhuang17 said:

For those of you that know me, you know my story. For those that need further context, I had gotten out of a long-term exclusive relationship back in May and it had messed head. Afterwards, I had a chance to learn from Mystery and take a bootcamp with him. Prior to that, I was very inconsistent at game. I would go out hard with Kane for 7 nights straight and end up getting a lay but afterwards I would either voluntarily or involuntarily mess up with my own progress. Due to my weird life situation, I've rarely settled down to a set routine or even city for more than 3 months so I lost a lot of the momentum that I needed to propel me forward. Anyways, after having taken a bootcamp from Mystery (it wasn't all that great to be honest) I just felt a sudden fire light up on my ass which compelled me to go out and game consistently.

Yeah the biggest thing is that when you are consistent, you make progress, now sometimes you're not happy with the amount or speed of it and that can be very detrimental to your results, but you do make progress, and the most basic thing about that is that you just need to keep doing so and the results will come.

Your texting being a good example - there was some chick (Nancy i think her name was) that you were assuming would stand you up and then she turned up on the date and you ran off to meet her (we were at jing an temple that day), then you texted her a lot and tried to progress things, there were pretty typical bumps along the way and you made some progress with her, your texting improved dramatically as i remember RedpoleQ mentioning it to you and talking to me about it.

There are many other times where you've engaged in consistent approaching/meeting women and gotten better and better results, the LTR you had is one example of that.

Your default seems to be going hard at a particular thing and expecting massive results, some stuff works like this but for game in comes in dribs and drabs, you might hammer away at something for a while and be getting little gains and then suddenly the flood gates open and boom, big results.

This is usually the case when you just start, if you've been doing a while it will happen less often because you're already more familiar with the territory.

You've practiced a lot on the outer skills and gotten good at various things, what happens if you are picking up and reflecting on your results consistently is that you will start to notice certain patterns in terms of your results which make your weaknesses/areas needing improvement more obvious, the increase in results from consistent practice and an influx of girls coming into your life means that you start getting more action, which helps you have more motivation to keep working on things and makes it so you can feel capable to deal with whatever comes up because you already have a bunch of stuff you've dealt with to get to where you are now.

Anyway so consistent practice with reflection (aka approaching regularly and writing FRs and then acting on the needed fixes) is going to get you the results you want more than short periods of extreme exertion.

What made the training with Mystery not so good?

What do you think should have been different about it to help you progress more or get better results?

 

7 hours ago, Jhuang17 said:

Prior to this night, my game momentum was flowing and I was hooking sets on a regular basis as well as get very compliant instagram/wechat/number closes so I was quite confident that my game was on an upwards trajectory. At the same time, I felt a sense of nervousness build up in me because I felt a pressure that I HAVE TO BE BETTER EVERY WEEKEND. Currently, I am based in Boston. But due to the winter holidays and Boston being a student town, there isn't much opportunity to go sagging but fortunately a guy from this very community started running masterminds in NYC so I decided to met up with them as well as a new student of Kane's in order to game. Since I've come back to America and learned from Mystery, my game is acclimating to the environment so it is becoming more westernized and I had forgotten the grind of plowing through avoidant Fobby Asian girls. Anyways, I went too Mission Nightclub (a NYC-based nightclub that literally felt like a miniature reincarnation of Seoul's Octagon) and I was so shocked by the types of reactions that I got from girls that I kind of fucked me in the head a bit and I started questioning my game and myself. The second night I went to a western nightclub called 230 Fifth in New York but due to the mind fuck from Friday night my mental state wasn't right which affected my delivery. Anyways, here is my field report from last weekend - the most difficult weekend that I've had in a long, long while.

Some nights are gonna be shit, some are gonna be epic and some are gonna be somewhere in between.

The more you get better at managing each stage of the interaction and predicting the likely obstacles, the more consistent your results are going to be, you will however occasionally have the odd curve ball thrown at you which will just fuck everything up, ideally just try to learn from those situations.

If things going shitty upset you this much, you really need to hammer on your inner game and practice being objective so you can better change things up to give you results that are going to make you happier and keep progressing at Game.

 

Avoidant fobby asian girls - lol, great description.

 

Mission Club - looking back, what were the dynamics at play that made things difficult? Other than you feeling unhappy about the reactions you were getting.

It's important to try and figure this out, because you can at least manage those things somewhat, if you know what they are.

7 hours ago, Jhuang17 said:

1.    Chinese Set (This was a warm-up set)

Going into the nightclub and seeing how different it was from the Western venues coupled with my self-imposed mental pressure to perform at an improve level definitely affected my ability to game with a relaxed mindset. While normally, I would head into the club and approach the first set I see and then go on a sarge rampage, this night I was a bit hesitant. I waited for like 5 minutes and talked to my wing before I could get the courage to make my first approach. At the time I saw a set standing near the entrance and I approached them.

Me: "Hey guys! Let me guess you are definitely from China" 

HB: "Yes!"

Me: "Me too!" *high five* ----- should've done a spin 

Me: "You know how I can tell, you're friend she has a super Shanghai style"

HB: "haha haha where are you from?" 

Me: "Guess!"

HB: "China too"

Me: "Africa" 

Thinking back on this I should've been more cheeky and used the said "Africa" in Chinese but next time.

Yep, your 'i should have' thing is correct, you could also have said ' duh China, which part of China though?' and then spoken some canto or given some other hint to lead them into guessing.

You could also have pushed the topic of Shanghai, if they were from there, you could ask which district and then tell them that district sucks and that you like X district better.

 

7 hours ago, Jhuang17 said:

Afterwards I am not sure exactly what went down but it's likely that I didn't really know any BT-spikes so that I ended up skipping qualification and going straight to asking comfort interview style questions. I guess my main question and problem from this set was that I didn't really know how to handle the obstacle (I mistakenly didn't bring my wing in because the set hadn't hooked) and I simply didn't know what to do due to a lack of BT spikes.

What I could've done with this set was come in with better energy, planned and rehearsed a couple of non-verbal BT-spikes, and then qualified them before I go into my default interview mode style. Thoughts?

Why not use canned stuff that you've learnt before?

Or was it that you felt nervous/uncomfortable and that that messed with your capacity to think of some?

On my first few sets of the night, I always just try to make it as easy as possible by doing stuff that i always do, so I don't need to think of anything new or improvise anything.

Usually the opener is: stop stop, you guys are sooooooo cute, why? then pointing out their friend is cute and usually then pointing to their clothing and commenting on the color and linking that to something, like you're wearing black, so you're the bad girl, you're wearing white so you're the good girl.

Bringing the wing in - if you're unsure if it's hooked or not, then just ask how many people they are with and then tell them you're with a friend of yours who is really awesome in x way and say that the obstacle will love him, then watch her reaction, if nothing or good, bring him in, if negative then bt spike again by saying but too bad for her because your friend is gay or is scared of cute asian girls like her (in a joking fashion).

You sound like you know exactly what you should have done to make it work, so im guessing the main issue was managing your emotional state so that you didn't lock up or feel unable to think of stuff.

Sometimes this shit will happen on the first few sets, you've just gotta push through it, even if the first few sets blow out - so what? Recognize the limits on what you can do when you have access to X emotional state and work from there.

 

I can't usually physically pick girls up and be super awesome on my first set or few, mainly because my 'awesome mode' isn't engaged yet and i recognize it will take a while to get it going, so just gotta slog through.

If i'm gaming very regularly, it only takes a few sets to make it happen, if not then it may take an hour or few, if i'm really out of it then it might not occur at all and my sets may just be average/very meh, which is fine, as they can still convert into dates and bangs so long as i run enough of them.

 

7 hours ago, Jhuang17 said:

Completely forgot about this set, so the details are quite blurry. I think I approached the set and opened my girl with "Hey, I had to come over here and introduce myself... because ..it seems to me that... you guys have great energy!" The challenge with this type of opener is that it doesn't seem that suitable for a incredibly loud and high energy club environment.

Me: "Hey, I had to come over here and introduce myself... because ..it seems to me that... you guys have great energy!" - I did this to the girl instead of the entire group. (maybe should've done to entire group instead)

HB: "Haha thank you!" 

Me: "Especially you! You are dancing so crazy right now... I can't even.." "Watch this is you!" I then mimicked 

After I opened with this, I used my body language to mimic a dancing chicken.

I high-fives the girl and then attempted to continue a conversation with her. During this set I think I brought my wing in but he didn't really hook and the friend then dragged my target onto the dance floor.

Afterwards, I approached this girl later on but it was very strange. I was asking a comfort question and she responded and she was constantly giggling but at the same time she was like "I need to go!" "I need to go!" which kinda confused me. I had approached and spoken to the male friend as well as the female friend and they were "ok" with me, even kind of friendly but this girl was just walking away and giggling. 

So..it sounds like you did well to begin with, her friend didn't hook and ruined it and then the girl was shy or nervous in front of her friends and did the typical Korean thing of putting the breaks on.

Was there an opportunity to push for contact details?

You gotta keep in mind that its your frame vs hers and only one is gonna win.

Having said that, if this was your 2nd set, you did well, as you went from zero bt spikes to doing a bunch of them.

 

7 hours ago, Jhuang17 said:

I simply cold read that they were from Korea saying that their fashion reminded me of the girls in Gangnam and then explaining how they weren't like Hyundae girls. This set got interrupted by the bouncer and the obstacle ended up dragging my target back into the club. 

What did the bouncer do?

 

7 hours ago, Jhuang17 said:

Me: “Hey! My friend Jackson, he’s quite shy, but he thinks you are incredibly cute.”

HB: “Thank you!”

Me: “Let me bring him over.”

I took two steps back, did a salsa turn, and walked back in. 

Me: “Hi! My I am the friend!” 

HB: “Hello!”

Me: “I came over here because I thought you guys have really great energy!”

HB: “Ha-ha Thank you!”

Me: “From your fashion, I can definitely tell that your Chinese”

HB: “ha-ha yes I am”

Me: “Me Too!” *high fived her* 

Me: “Where in China are you from? You look from Inner Mongolian” *I said this because she was short and girls from inner Mongolia are quite tall.

HB: “Ha-ha no I am from Ningbo!” 

Me, my face lit up because I’m from nearby: “No way! I am from Shanghai so happy to find my East China buddy. So, I guess you must be an amazing rice cake chef” 

 

At this moment, my wingman came in and hooked the friend. Although he wasn’t able to get her to stay for a very long time and left, the friend literally just left her to me. 

 

This opener is pretty cool.

Sounds like you did a bunch of stuff well and are following what i've listed I would do by using stuff your familiar with and don't need to think about too much.

Did you and Petch discuss what he could have done differently to run the set better? or was it just mei ban fa?

 

7 hours ago, Jhuang17 said:

Me: “Ha-ha so I am actually here celebrating my birthday!”

         HB: “That’s the reason I am here, it’s my friend’s birthday!”

Me: “Oh happy birthday to her! What did you guys do?”

HB: “blah blah blah.. and you!” 

Me: “Yes! I had one of the best cakes ever. My friends Laria, Sara, and Fifi took me to this high-end French restaurant” 

I then took out my phone and proceeded to show her pictures of the food culminating with the birthday cake, which was a cake that was lit on fire.”

HB: “Wow that looks really good!”

Me: “Yea, it was one of the best high-end French restaurants I’ve ever been to. For your friend, she should definitely go here for her cake…. What kind of food do you like?” 

Afterwards, I essentially ran comfort and qualification on her. The cool thing was that I was super in the moment that I had completely forgotten about gambits and even structure. I just was genuine and only focused on Kino-escalation. I found out that she grew up in Flushing which I then noted its where all the best Asian restaurants are. While this wasn’t specifically a DHV fact, it was definitely a comfort statement. By having this knowledge, she definitely felt more of a connection. Afterwards, we joked about how it was nearly impossible to find legit spicy Asian food on the East Coast and I future projected that we would eat hot pot together.

Then we exchange stories about “many growing up” which I also related towards her because she had moved to America in her teens. This story helped us build a shared connection again. By this time my hand was on her back and I was slowly going down to the area right above her butt. After we had reached this moment, WeChat (number) closed her. During this process, I realized that I had been in set for a good 20 minutes, so I decided to run my DHV story followed by Beckster’s routine. 

So you ran the set well, got a good reaction which caused you to become emotionally engaged to the point where you forgot to run game and instead just relied on your auto pilot (this is fine if your auto pilot means you do a lot of stuff right), ran some good convo/qualification and got some comfort going, you seeded eating together, got some butt action and ran the set for 20 mins or so.

This sounds good, have you followed up with her?

You should go out and try to have 10 sets like this, and then you will have X amount convert.

I write X because there are lots of unknowns that fuck shit up, I was at a house party recently and had 3 sets there, 1st one went for 30 minutes or so and seemed to go super well, 2nd one was shit and went for 2 minutes before I ejected because something weird was going on, 3rd set went for a long time and involved changing venues.

1st set - no response from the girl, even though everything went really well.

2nd set - didn't bother number closing her, turns out she had a bf who came to the party later

3rd set - banged this chick on the day 3, she turned out to be pretty crazy though lol.

Being a house party, it was way easier, if it was a club then 3 sets probably wouldn't be anywhere near enough, lets say i go clubbing and open 50 sets, I might have 10 really good sets and have a few convert into dates and bangs, might have 0, really just depends on many factors outside my control.

Even if it goes well, it might not result into anything because of BF/other unrelated issues.

So my point is that you did a good job with this set based on what you've explained, and you should approach more and more girls to try and have more interactions like this that will be more likely to lead to the results you want.

 

7 hours ago, Jhuang17 said:

A years ago, my New Year’s resolution was to do something that scares me. So, my ex-girlfriend at the time was celebrating her birthday, I was like “hey babe what would you want for you present” and she was like “surprise me”

So, I booked a trip to Cancun to take her skydiving. To be honest, skydiving scares the crap out of me. Originally the plan was to see the Aztec Ruins because she needed to take photos for her Instagram. 

Don’t make fun of her, but that’s how she made her living. 

 So that day, she said man the sky looks so beautiful “I wish we could go skydiving.”

         HB: “Wow, I want to go skydiving with my boyfriend” 

         Me: “Your boyfriend?”

         HB: “I mean my future boyfriend!”

         Me: “You have great taste” *high fived and then held her hand* 

So, I called, hoping that they wouldn’t answer, because it was getting late. 

Then they picked up the phone and I was like damn “I guess I’m going skydiving” 

I kid you not, sky diving was one of the best, most liberating experiences, I’ve ever done.  

On the way back home, I sat next to another rapper. So, we start doing some rhymes together, and my ex-girlfriend looks at and said, “don’t do it.” The whole plane started looking at us because it was the first time, they’d seen a bilingual freestyle.

So, the guy I met on the plane, he’s still one of my good friends, he started his own hedge fund. And sometimes we do business together. 

Following this story, I was pushing my Kino levels to where my hand was firmly placed on the small opening of her dress on her lower back. I used to get nervous about maintaining this type of Kino, but for this time I could easily tell based her based on her compliance as well as noticeable IOIs that this girl was definitely into me. Afterwards, I decided to run Beckster’s routine

Lol this is super MM style.

Theres lots and lots happening in this routine, can you explain what you think is occuring and how it's going to affect the girl?

How did the girl respond to it?

 

8 hours ago, Jhuang17 said:

Part 1

(Pre-Opener) 

I was chatting with my friend (NAME) and we were trying to decide. To be wanted or needed? 

(Point to self on the wanted, push away the needed)

Girl: Blah, Blah, Blah

Oh why?

She will think more. She has to feel what’s better.

I want my friends, my lover to want me.

(Point to self) 

The only people you need is your family. In your mind, do you think you’d want your lover more or need your lover more??

It’s a two-part question before I go

Attraction (Self) or Desire (Trail hands up slowly) 

Girl: Answer 

Why (Smiley and Gesture)???

Girl: Blah 

The way I see it, if you go around the room, (hand on shoulder misdirect them) there are some people you are attracted to (self-point) but few people you really desire.

Don’t you think?

Girl: Yes

I’m glad you agree (shake hand, eye contact) (then spin and lock in) Who they he’ll are you?

Girl: Blah Blah (Qualify) 

Part 2 

(Insert HB Name) it’s really strange. Before I get to know someone deep inside (lock hands), I got three criteria that I normally go by, but I can only tell if you opened and friendly. 

Are you?

(Cross arms, lean back, smile a bit)

I don’t like girls that wear a lot of make-up. 

Put a kiss there 

You passed or failed 

(depending on bitchiness)

I love girls with lush smelling hair. 

(Put thumb up behind air, lean in, smell and take deep breath. Sometimes they reciprocate. If based on flushes skin, pupil dilation, dinner bowl doggy eyes. GO FOR KISS, If not push away 

I ended up getting the make-out. I then further isolated her. But here is where I fucked myself up. I had forgotten to ask her what her plans were. I felt like I really should’ve tried bouncing her or at least seeding at meet at the end of her night. After we continued to make out with a bit. Below is my part 3 which I actually didn’t run because we just started making out. Afterwards, I was kind of flustered from this positive result so I didn’t really know where to go on afterwards.  

 

Pretty interesting.

So why did you get flustered about getting good results?

 

Quote

 

Part 3

 I need trust, comfort, and connection before I go that far. And I only have lust at the moment. I see this is going to be a love hate relationship: you would love me and I’d hate you 

I love girls with good taste in shoes. But do you know why? 

Good shows indicate good taste in underwear.

Trail your hand up through her body (non-touching, Lock-in Body Languag 

That’s strange you have got the second-best shoes on tonight’s 

Girls: who’s the first?

Me: Me

And there’s a fourth (conspiracy Style), but I need to tell special people. Are you special?

 Mini-solation within club

I won best kisser in university, two years in a row. I only kiss girls who are good kissers. 

(Pull girls hands so that she’s holding onto my waste, your hands are off) 

What are you? 1-10 

Girl:  Blah Blah

Kiss 

Roll off after kiss: I’ll be back soon, if not, wait longer.

 We went to the corner to talk for a bit. Then two males came up to talk to her. Because I had thought that they all knew each other, I kind just sat back and chilled. I actually decided to befriend one of the dudes who said that the three were high-school friends. Although I believed this, I definitely should’ve asked the girl or at least prevented what might’ve been an AMOG. In this case I should’ve approached to the AMOG and said:

“Hey! Nice to meet you I’m Jackson, me and HB were just talking about xyz” 

Then probably should’ve done a BLP to turn her away and then asked the girl whether they knew the guys or not. 

Instead, they seemed to be in conversation, so I decided to ditch the set.

Alright there’s a messed-up trend coming where I prematurely eject sets due to a fear of not knowing what to do next. It’s between a mindset problem as well as a material problem. Because I feel like I need material for the whole night, when I finish running my routine I literally turn off. What I really should’ve done was simply danced more with the girl as well as run more comfort before attempting to pull her. 

I promise I will no longer let this happen again. My foot has been shot enough at my own accord. 

 

You needed to ask the girl much much earlier how many people she was with and how they knew each other.

Some guys will see situations like this as an opportunity because they think the girl will be easy or something.

The material is just supposed to be training wheels to help you develop confidence to deal with each stage of the interaction, so...if you got stuck and don't know what to do, come up with some material to deal with that particular situation next time so you can deal with it.

I know that sounds simple but that really is how a lot of this works, you're constantly solving a puzzle and trying to figure out which pieces go where.

What was the end result with her in the club and then after that?

 

8 hours ago, Jhuang17 said:

Afterwards I think I skipped qualification and attempted to run the “attraction or desire routine” but I’ve realized that it’s incredibly difficult in a loud environment therefore I ended up premature ejecting. Right when I turned away I felt her touch my arm but for some reason I didn’t reopen.

 

This set went well, but the numerous joking rejections I got really fucked with my head as well causing me to prematurely eject the set. Looking back on it I really should’ve pushed myself a bit harder in staying and plowing until the set is dead.

 

Looking back on this I realized that one of the things that I did really well in this set was the fact that I came in with a strong and solid frame, was playful, and engaged in a bit of role-playing. Because I use to do acting, role-playing is actually one of my natural strengths, but I realized that in game, when I get all up in my head, I stop doing that. Yet, whenever I do, I get a lot better reactions because I role-play in a teasing, fun way.

 

 

You Bt spiked well and then got normal Korean resistance, from there you probably needed to get some sort of kino going that would lock the set in with you, be it a palm reading gambit or showing them something on your phone, simply because it isn't tenable to try and converse with the entire group for the reasons you mentioned.

Yeah when you get all in your head you become negative and that's not a good experience for the people interacting with you.

Being chill and fun of course is the winning move.

8 hours ago, Jhuang17 said:

 HB Mini-Korea: To Be Wanted or Needed? - To be Avoided

She came into the bar while I was standing there to get drinks. She had accidentally bumped into me, so I thought of a good BT situational open

         Me: “You should definitely be a football player”

         Her: “What? You are a football player?”

Me: “No! I meant to say that you should definitely be a football player. When you came you bumped into me and I went flying” (I took a few step back to mimic the action)

         Her: “ha-ha No I didn’t”

         Me: “Uh huh you did!”

         Her: …. (Cold non-reaction typical of FOBBY sets)

Me, at this point I thought I would try throwing in a neg: “Wow, you know what you are the beauty and the beast all rolled up in one!”

Her: ….no reaction… 

At this point, I wasn’t really hooking the set and so I started to get all up in my own head. Instead of being playful and actually having a good time, I was quite stagnant, and I had forgotten an improv principle that would’ve been good for pick-up, the notion of “Yes And.” What I could’ve done instead was a BT-Spike where I insisted, she was very strong and made her flex for me and joke how she’s got the perfect mix of cute and dangerous (beauty and the best.)  For me, whenever my set isn’t going well, I start to get all up in my head and then start going to my default mode which would be asking interview questions. I had tried to cold read that she was a student to which she said no and then at that point I was stumped so I attempted to run Beckster’s gambit.

Me: Alright so before I go back to my friend, there’s this one question I have to ask? What do you think is more important to be wanted or needed? 

Her: AVOIDED! 

And then she just walked away. This set really fucked with my head because I’ve never had that harsh of a rejection before and, to be honest, it still

The opener was good, although she didn't buy into it.

The neg was funny as fuck, i literally Lol'd just now.

You being upset about her reaction - It's gonna happen, the issue is that you're taking it personally.

You don't need to win them all, you also need to recognize you have a between 0 and100% chance of success with each girl and focus on increasing that percentage by doing as many things right as possible and by finding the girls who are more likely to convert.

Harsh rejections - The important thing here is that you just learn from your experiences by viewing them objectively, how you feel is irrelevant if you're learning things that help you long term, because you're going to feel lots of different ways about different things.

8 hours ago, Jhuang17 said:

This actually has been a common problem that I’ve had with the great energy opener. Essentially what happens is that I open with my great energy opener and run a cold read (neg or BT-spike if needed) but it is met with a continuous stream of cold “Thank yous”.  This confuses me. 

Me: “Hey… I just wanted to come over here… and introduce myself… it seems like you guys have really good energy!”

Her: “Thank you!” *cold*

Me: “Yes it’s the most authentic I’ve seen…

Her: “Thank you!”

Me: “Let me guess, based on your dancing style… you guys are from… Korea”

*maybe should’ve said Africa*

Her: “Thank you”

Then I tried stacking other gambits, but it was met with a cold thank you, when I then attempted to stack to Beckster’s wanted or needed routine. The girl dragged her friend and left.

My belief about this is that it’s either a problem with my delivery or my structure In retrospect, I may have run this way too fast and said: “Hey I came over here and say that I think you have great energy.” All in a single sentence. I have a tendency to talk incredibly quickly and ramble (more on that later) so maybe that’s a reason it didn’t hook.

 

 You should be getting some of these reactions each time you go out and approach, I dunno how many you've gotten in comparison to good reactions vs entire number of sets.

There are definitely going to be sets where the cold thank you is going to be the result regardless of what you do because they're basing their response on what they see of your physical appearance and initial behavior and that those things don't match up with what they think they want.

You can make some adjustments on the behavioral end that may influence this somewhat but you're still not going to convert every single set.

The talking fast thing - yeah, sounds about right.

 

8 hours ago, Jhuang17 said:

1.    I Went for the Kiss Close

a.     Yes, although for super Fobby Asians this is a big no-no. I just really wanted to get over my mental block of going for make-outs in clubs because it has led me to fear going for make outs in any other settings including day 2s. While I am upset I lost the girl, she was hot enough for me outweigh the mental block that I needed to get over.This is a serious mental block, like I was afraid of kiss closing all my exes even when we were in bed already.

2.    I ran my DHV story once which led to positive response

3.    I was highly aware of IOIs from the girl and did compliance testing

4.    The Korea 3 Set, I came in with a strong frame and incredibly good energy. Additionally, I kept on plowing for a little bit.

5.    I attempt to adjust my energy to approach in order to figure out what works 

6.    I compliance tested her and isolated her a few times

Great.

 

8 hours ago, Jhuang17 said:

1.    Better Openers in order to hook ESL girls (Flash Game)

2.    Volume and Velocity - After getting blown out consistently I was really confused and started second guessing myself. Next time I will simply go on a super rampage. Rejection means I need to approach the next set

3.    At times, I think that I may have come off quite gamey where I’m just throwing in gambits seeking some sort of positive reaction. 

4.    I was quiet when my sets got interrupted, next time I’ll just continue stacking and stacking

5.    Body language and vocal tonality, at times, girls struggle to understand me

6.    Plowing more, like that mini Korean girl I should’ve just continued with her and BT spikes instead of negs

7.    Bring my wing sooner in our sets rather than attempt to go at it solo

2. You take their reactions personally, sometimes it will be about you but mostly it's about your behavior and its super important to recognize this, because when you do you wont have your state all fucked up from it, you can choose the frames you hold about things.

3. Probably, that's fine, just keep practicing them until they're smoother and get better at having fun.

4. Great.

5. Yeah so speak slower, louder and make sure your positioning is good.

6. the Korean girl - maybe, assuming she gave you bad reactions because of your 'game', it could be she was there with her bf etc etc, so i'd be less focused on how i feel about the situation and more focused on whats happening around me to see if that is influencing things negatively.

7. Yeah, definitely.

 

8 hours ago, Jhuang17 said:

1.    Plow Plow Plow 

2.    Fobby Asian Game is different from Western game in terms of energy level and technique

3.    You need to befriend the group, with complements

4.    The one who approaches the set is the more loved one

5.    The power of having a stack so that you know what to do next 

1. Yep.

2. Lol yep.

3. If possible it certainly helps.

4. What do you mean?

5. yeah for sure, you should actually make a simple stack and practice with it for like 50 sets, then change it up a bit, being extremely objective about the results i.e the mad scientist - it doesn't matter what the results are, getting data and making adjustments is what matters.

 

Finished the 6 pillars of self esteem yet?

 

Great FR dude.

You should write them as regularly as possible, even if you're only writing one 1/10th the length of this one it is still good to post them regularly so you can make more adjustments more quickly and get better and better results.

 

Go Jackson!

[Epic back to back bootcamps with McConnell and Kane in Bangkok 11/21-12/1]

22 minutes ago, DiamondX said:

First half: the basics with McConnell
Day 1: Wednesday
Topic: Fashion + Night game basics + attraction
Daygame: In the morning session, McConnell went over the basics of game and the 5 steps of game and he tried to prepare me for the first night game. The goal for the first night was to mainly work on attraction and kino. He went over some canned BT spikes materials that we could use infield. I was a bit skeptical at first because I never used canned material before. 

Night game: I decided to bring my wingman on board for the first night. McConnell went over some winging techniques for me and my wingman to focus on. This first night was extremely difficult for us and we pretty much couldn’t hook any sets. It was me mostly having to unlearn being “natural” and learning to kino more. We got a lot of push back from our kinos and McConnell just pointed out that our game was not quite good yet. I felt a bit disappointed for the first night by kept my faith in check as I knew it was going to be a long process.

Yeah!

The first night can be really rough, especially because you're trying to manage all these new bits and pieces.

Ironically, the more material you can develop, the more natural you can become, because you have a wider range of things to choose from, it then just becomes about familiarity with the content and using it enough that you get good at the underlying things that make it work, rather than just saying those particular words.

BT spikes are an easy example - usually they an exaggerated or ridiculous question or observation of something, for example lets say its 'you're wearing black, that means you go out at night a lot, ohhh bad girl'.

The important part is the underlying role play and the emotional expressiveness, the role play is 'we are making humorous assumptions about each other', what makes it work or not is if it's easily understood and the emotional expression matching the content.

The words can be adjusted to anything, using the same role play:

Wow you're so skinny, you must only eat once a day.

You're dressed really well, you must own some sort of clothing store, you're rich and a boss 

You look really strong, you have to protect me from all the bad girls here tonight.

The words differ, the underlying technique does not.

 

Being 'natural' shouldn't mean you just do whatever comes into your head without understanding how the techniques work, it should mean that you get good at the techniques by practicing them a lot and can use them naturally because of said practice.

 

29 minutes ago, DiamondX said:

Day 2: Thursday
Topic: Attraction + qualification
Day game: Today was the day I said fuck-it, I‘m going to forget everything I have learned about pick-up and do whatever McConnell said. He went over the concepts of day game and how to run sets during the day. Today was a much better day as I prepared some funny lines for BT spikes i.e.

• “I’m looking for socks for my Pomeranians” + showing them the photos of a cute dog with socks on.
• A kino move on their arms and teased them about them being very strong and that they must work out.
• I think I can guess what you do for a living....., you are batman!

I ran them pretty well and got positive reactions and contact closed many of the sets. I felt I was going into the right direction already. My sticking point was that I cared too much about people around me, after a few approaches during day time, I realized that no one actually cares, and that freed me up a bit when I started to care less about other people.

Night game: During the night game, I would go into the sets, coming out and talked through with McConnell to get immediate feedbacks. I found this very useful in terms of calibration and learning about my mistakes. I.e. My shaky body language, not kino enough, staying on the openers too long, bad eye contacts, didn’t set down next to the target, didn’t engage with everyone in the sets, forget to bring the wingman in, etc. I felt my game was much better tonight as I managed to run my sets and get some attractions already. The debrief at the end of the night to go over 5 things I did well and I things to work on really helped my game, I will keep doing that moving forward.

Great progress.

Yeah keep up the 5 things method, we all still do it for a variety of things, usually after teaching people too.

You did a lot of things right in terms of applying yourself as a student, so good job.

Keep coming up with more BT spikes :D.

 

33 minutes ago, DiamondX said:

Day 3: Friday 
Topic: Text game + gaming non-english speakers + comfort basics 
I felt the need to also master the text game, so I enrolled in this text game seminar. The main thing was being efficient with the text while at the same time being persistent. You can prepare the life event and broadcast to a list of girls at the same time while showing values. At the same time some girls are being very hard to chase down, so you have to be persistent and keep showing values and be patient.

Night game: Tonight was when it all started to click. I hooked many sets and got more contacts closed. At this point, I felt pretty good about my BT spikes and my kino as girls welcomed my kino a lot more. I put the non-verbal game into practiced and even contact closed Korean and Chinese sets tonight.  McConnell brought his wing woman with us during the night game. We then went to a more challenging venue and I opened a 2 set. The girl I liked spoke some Chinese so I brought McConnell and his wing into the set. I got a lot of shit tests from her such as “You talk to many girls already haven’t you?” or “You are a player”, etc. Yet at the end of the night they bounced me to a restaurant. Later at the table, I messed this set up by showing my Instagram to them while they saw a lot of me chatting with lots of girls, so that disappointed her a bit as it confirmed that I talk to a lot of girls. The set was a kind of dead afterwards. Note to self: never let the girl have your phone!

 

Yeah, hot girls have options, so it's absolutely a war of attrition.

The 'are you a player' tests are a normal part of progression when you start getting them feeling attracted but they can sense that its something you're actively doing, it will stop happening the more you become congruent being flirty and fun in this manner.

 

36 minutes ago, DiamondX said:

2nd half of bootcamp with Kane
Day 5: Wednesday
Topic: Diagnostics and fixing my game
First day meeting with Kane today, it’s all about running the sets and let Kane dissect my game. I approached many sets and Kane basically watched all my interactions with the sets. Today I felt tired and mostly rusty and got blown out a lot of sets. I feel like I took a step back, which is normal while learning game. The sticking point was that I prematurely eject from sets when things don’t go well, or I don’t get any positive reaction. The other issue was I would run out of material to run during sets once I ran all my prepared materials. They both would be acknowledged and worked on the next day.

Day 6: Thursday
Topic: in depth qualification + coming up with more original content
Day game: Kane had me listed a perfect girl as well as her attributes before the day game session. He pushed me really hard to for me to give very specific details about the “ideal” girl. I.e. which type of foods does she like, what’s her lifestyle, what’s her personality like. I feel like after this I would have more content to run during the qualification phase of the sets. It was a major hole in my game when I wasn’t able to qualify the girl at a detailed level. 

During the day game session, McConnell gave me a very funny BT spike openers to use in a Sephora store filled with girls. I went and had fun with it. The opener was “I’m about to be a ladyboy next month, which cream do I need to use once I become one?” I found it very amusing and it worked very well in sets as the girls would laugh and enjoyed the interaction. I managed to contact close a Singaporean girl with that. Another opener was that we found a nail cleaner device and used that to ask girls in the shop about what it actually does. Once I got the answer, from one girl, Kane had me re-approach to find out more about the device and learn more about the girl in order to practice qualification on the girl. That was my sticking point for that day as there were always things you can follow up on during the interactions and get to know more about the girl and more things to qualify her.

Night game was very fun today as Kane gave me more Kino moves to use during the night game. Towards the end of the night, I hooked a set and the girl was very into me and try to bounce us to a dinner location, we all went together and joined her table and ran more kino + sexcalation. Towards the end the set bounced to another club but the girl kept texting me to have me follow her and meet her there. I was hesitant at first because I didn’t want to waste more time, but I went anyway, she was too drunk at the end of the night, so it was very hard to close her. She and her friend ended up dropping me at my place instead. I could have tried to close her at my place, but I figured it would have been a mess, so I moved on.

 

Ya qualification is super important as it's one of the most important factors for shaping the interaction and relationship into a direction that you want, so not knowing what you want is a big problem.

The ladyboy BT Spike/opener - what made it work? what is the underlying role play or theme?

 

38 minutes ago, DiamondX said:

Day 7: Friday 
Topic: Frame control + Kino techniques and plans for the future.
Kane had me work on how an ideal life would look like and the roadmap to get there as well as actions that I have to take. It’s an idea of working backwards from an end goal and build my life such that it attracts the type of girls I want.
During the day game session, we went over one of my weaknesses, which is frame control. I would lose my frame very easily and eject if the girls don’t give a green light. I needed to learn to plow through and maintain my frame within the interaction. Kane had me do an exercise to stop walking groups of people an maintain my frame until they are gone. It was a very challenging and intense exercise, but it taught me very a very important lesson: reactions from each set are totally random as they could be either green/yellow or red lights and I just need to plow though when I get a yellow light.

During the night time, I put that into practice right away and plowed through many yellow lights and even implemented the kino moves that Kane gave me. The openers for the night were opinion openers based on my fashion. One of them is a question whether I looked good in a jacket or not. There is a much more hilarious one, however. For this one, I would go in and ask girls which button I should button on my shirt, and then slowly unbutton each of them one by one until they said stop. Most of the sets would stop me at the 2nd button, but some of them would let me continue and make jokes. I ran these very successfully and stacked on with other lines and kino with successes.

Day 8: Saturday
Topic: Sexualizing openers adding more sexcalation more in the interaction continued Setting up my life and building self-esteem
Day game: 
We went to a bookstore inside a mall. Kane and McConnell had me send them into sets along with instructions, see how they run them and give feedbacks. They basically wanted me to view it from the instructor’s point of view. It’s very interesting to see how advanced game is being done by Kane and McConnell. Sometimes they would make a mistake intentionally and wanted to me to identify it. Later on, came up with an opener that’s related to the panda book I picked up and asked a girl where I can get a panda around, I want to buy one. The girl was mesmerized and then laugh really hard. That turned out to be a good BT spike and I was able to contact close her afterwards. All in all, a very good learning session. 

Yeah almost everyone has issues with their frame either with it being too weak or not providing enough value to make girls wanna jump into it.

I'm glad you've remembered all this so well :D.

The buttons opener was pretty funny.

 

What made the Panda opener work? what was the underlying theme?

 

41 minutes ago, DiamondX said:

Later on, Kane pointed out that I could add more sexual vibe to the opener I could use and had me noticed and perceived girls walking around and things about them I could use to open with a sexual vibe/joke. It was a pretty tough exercise for me because I was pretty new for me. 

During the night game, the main thing that Kane stretched was adding more sexual vibe into the interactions and my verbal game. I was able to apply sexual vibe into a couple of situations. I.e. one girl I talked to was a manager at some company, I said “oooh, so you are good at managing people? I would like to be managed by you sometimes, (in bed)”. With a sexual/funny vibe. Adding sexual vibe seemed to work well throughout the night. Later on Kane brought me to a very loud and challenging venue. It was very hectic inside I tried to open a 8 girls set but couldn’t get the set to hook. Kane taught me about scanning for high possibility sets and be smart about my time. 

Overall It was a very transformational experience, I now have a good foundation on how to game girls. Kane main advice at the end was keep approaching and keep gaming a lot. In 6 months, my worst set could be at the same level as my best set during the bootcamp. That sounded exciting I felt motivated to my game to a much higher level. Thanks Kane and McConnell so much for a very good bootcamp, I’m sure this is not the end just yet.

The 8 set was that group of girls at the table by the door?

yeah that was really hard cause there was barely anywhere to stand to even start interacting with them.

How have things been going since then?

You went out with Jackson, what else has been happening?

 

Looking forward to more Petch Adventures.

[Sean FR thread]

On 12/6/2018 at 2:34 PM, Red Pill Philosopher said:

Mon: 10-02-18 Opened three sets

1.       Cute mother

>1 minute:

I asked her about where she ate food because the chungguan closed all the shops.  She said she didn’t’ know because she didn’t live there.

2.       Pug shirt guy and girlfriend

2-5 minutes

I was walking my dog, and a guy had a pug on his shirt.  Then I said, “Hey, that’s my dog!”  Then we talked about no food because of chungguan.  He said they just moved there as well.

3.       Girl who blew me off

>  1 minute

I asked where to get dinner and she didn’t hook.  She just kept walking.

1. You could continue this by telling her to stop and guessing where she's from, so long as the delivery is fine.

3. Change up the opener to something more engaging, experiment with different stuff

 

On 12/6/2018 at 2:35 PM, Red Pill Philosopher said:

Tues: 10-03-18

Girl moving to Beijjing (WeChat close)

The first girl I asked about where she eats after Chungguan closed all the restaurants.  She immediately hooked.  She was living at my apartment for a short time because she got in an argument with her husband in Beijing. 

We talked about the restaurants.  How there is nothing fun to do.  And how to make friends in Jin Kui.  I WeChat closed her and exchanged texts for about thirty minutes so my quota was complete after that first approach. 

The immediate hook is gonna happen more often the more numbers you play, some girls will feel more attraction to you than others for a variety of reasons, the difference in value levels matters too, although its really hard to say exactly what that is because it's based on more than just looks.

When you say she was living at your apartment for a short time - you mean in the apartment complex, not in your actual apartment?

Talking about restaurants - this is ok so long as she is being engaged by the topic, how there is nothing fun to do isn't so useful and instead you should talk about something that could be seeding some sort of fun date activity, it doesn't matter if its in that area or not.

What else occurred afterwards?

 

On 12/6/2018 at 2:35 PM, Red Pill Philosopher said:

Ukrainian Girl

< 5 minutes

I saw a foreign girl outside my apartment complex.  (A rarity).  I walked right up to her and said, “Hey, what are you doing here?  I am the only foreigner allowed in this territory.”  She hooked.  I guessed she wasn’t from a native speaking country, then I said “Eastern Europe”

Then she actually WeChat closed me because she was waiting for a taxi.  I saw her 5 minutes after leaving my house so my quota was fullfilled.

Subway: Army Boots girl

>1 minute

On the subway, I saw two peasants that had some sort of live animal inside a tank with water.  I asked if it was a turtle, then they said no, it’s a fish.

I looked over at the girl and said it looked like her shoes were from the Army.  I asked her if she was wearing those boots in case she wanted to kick any weird foreigners talking to her on the subway.  She ignored me and went back to listening to her phone.

Ukrainian girl - Did you communicate with her again via text?

Army boots girl:

Your opener in this situation was good - improving off her appearance, the following part of suggesting she wants to kick weird foreigners talking to her on the subway isnt ideal as it's suggesting that its a negative thing to be communicating with you.

You will find people are more shy in the metro and you might need to push a bit more, give them more stuff to do like answering questions, guessing things about you etc etc.

On 12/6/2018 at 2:36 PM, Red Pill Philosopher said:

I went to HK to renew a visa this day so I was in an airport.

Taiwan Passport girl

1 min:

I saw a girl with a purple passport.  I asked her why she had a purple passport.  Then she said it was a “one year thing” and didn’t hook.

Girls at Starbucks

2-5 min:

I asked two girls what language they were speaking because it sounded kind of familiar, but different.  They said they were speaking Shanghaiese.  We talked for a few minutes, then she said she works in a cosmetics company where women “waste money” spending 10 times more for a product that is identical except for packaging.

Girl waiting in line

>1 minute

I asked a girl what she was going to do in HK.  She said “business” and then blew me off.

 

Taiwan passport girl - the fact she answered means you probably could have continued the interaction or at least should have tried until you knew for sure, asking a question won't always be enough to hook, so you should add a bt spike or two in and keep pushing until you are either getting compliance or not at all.

Starbucks girls - this seems like a good convo thread, did you build on it?

Girl waiting in line - business and blew you off.

These girls aren't blowing you off, they're just fulfilling what you're requesting them to do and then going back to doing their own thing, so you need to push the interaction further by bt spiking and being more engaging.

Seeing the situation as them doing x to you is somewhat of a victim mentality and possibly means you're viewing these situations as you not being attractive enough to girls so that you're expecting to fail and are then making decisions that lead to this being the result.

You gotta push a bit further so you get results that invalidate your negative beliefs about yourself.

 

On 12/6/2018 at 2:36 PM, Red Pill Philosopher said:

Alysson right outside building

Ali’s son:

There was an unattractive American girl that I had seen in my building before.  Right when I saw there, I asked if she was friends with the Ukrainian girl.   She worked in the kindergarten across the street and I was mockingly talking about how “2 years olds are assholes” especially with 6 adults watching after one kid. 

When I told her I had lived in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Texas, and China.  I could see that it was a “mysterious answer” and I should create a routine out of it.

She seemed much more nervous than me.  I don’t think a lot of guys talk with her.

I confidently WeChat closed her.

uhhhh ok.

 

On 12/6/2018 at 2:38 PM, Red Pill Philosopher said:

Subway: We chat 83 times

2 minutes:

A girl dropped her umbrella and then I asked her “What do girls always do on WeChat all day?”.  Then I mentioned that the “average Chinese girl” checks her WeChat 83 times a day.  Does she do it more or less.

She was nervous, didn’t hook, and kept walking.

 

Subway: Don’t you guys sit together

1-2 minutes:

I saw what appeared like a boyfriend and girlfriend sitting completely apart from each other on the subway seat.  I asked, “What’s the deal?  Do you guys always sit away from each other.”  I got a quick laugh and then got off on the next stop.

 

Subway: Pink Panther hat and Yankees hat

1-2 minutes:

I saw three girls walk in on the subway.  One had a pink panther hat and another had a Yankees hat.  I said I loved the girls Pink Panther hat because I watched that cartoon as a kid.  Then I looked at the Yankees girl and said “I don’t like you”.  “You are wearing the enemy’s hat and I HATE the Yankees”.  She was laughing about it.  I got off on the next stop.

Wechat  83 times -  If this was your opener and you said it as you listed here, she is gonna be confused as to why you're suddenly asking her this.

In reverse, if someone approached you and said this, how would you react? Can you mentally do this and figure out the different ways people could perceive this situation?

 

Pink Panther Yankees - So...you opened with an improv opener, BT spiked them and they reacted well - why didn't you progress things? seems like a good set.

On 12/6/2018 at 2:38 PM, Red Pill Philosopher said:

Monday: 10-08-18

1.       Girls walking down the stairs

>  1 Min

I saw two girls wearing identical clothes.  I said, “You must be best friends. You live and work together.”  One completely ignored me, the other didn’t hook but might have if the other friend wasn’t there.

2.       Lian Hua girl and friend

>  1 min

A saw a girl working at Lian Hua that I know and she said she didn’t have any girlfriends at JinKui.  I saw her with another girl, and pointed at her, “Liar!  You do have girlfriends”.  She smiled and kept walking.

3.       Ice cream girl

>  1 min

A girl was in a convenience store looking at ice cream.  I asked her what was her favorite ice cream, she pointed, and then was non-responsive.  She didn’t hook.

1. Your attempted bt spike here was good, sometimes it's not gonna work, always focus on having good delivery.

2. You bt spiked but didn't push the frame, you need to push the frame of ' i want to interact with you' more strongly by getting them to stop and/or asking a question for them to answer.

3. why should she hook from just this?

You seem to be doing this thing a lot - girls wont always hook just because you're trying to talk to them, they don't know the value you provide until they have a decent interaction with you, so give them the opportunity to do that.

 

Ill respond to more later.

[Sean Monthly Deep Reflections]

On 12/6/2018 at 3:56 PM, Red Pill Philosopher said:

HB Philosopher HB 5.5-6 Age 24

This girl I really like.  She went to USA for University and her English is perfect.  We have spent about 10 hours together total talking about philosophy, evolution and a wide range of topics.   I think she is attracted to my brain and personality.  She isn’t that pretty but she is super smart and great at conversation.  Another guy in our chat group said “You two should date” and she said unequivocally she does not date older guys now because she had a 5 year relationship with a guy 15 years older than her when she was 19.  I think again age difference is the deciding factor and I don’t think it was just used as an excuse.  This girl is super smart.  I would have LTRed in a heartbeat even though she is an HB 5.

HB Wonder Woman HB 7-8  Age 26

I opened her on Halloween and then sent her a text regarding her costume.  She said thank you 36 hours later.  I tried to send another text and she never responded.  She is clearly not interested.  I think possible there was a value mismatch or the age gap is too large.

HB Hot Sichuan HB 7-8 Age 25

This girl is really hot.  I was talking with her for a while as she walked and she hesitated when I asked for her WeChat.  She barely responded right after I got her WeChat and then was completely non-responsive after that.

HB New Zealand HB 7-8 Age 25

She hesitated when I asked for her WeChat.  She barely responded right after I got her WeChat and then was completely non-responsive after that.

HB Finance Blogger HB 5 Age 40

This girl I opened at Zapatas and then asked her out for coffee.  I was busy so we never went on a D2. 

I saw her again another time at Zapatas.  We talked for awhile, it was good and I think a D2 would be available if I wanted it.  I don’t really want it.    She showed interest the first time and agreed to D2 already, and was eager to talk to me the second time.

HB Philosopher - women say a lot of things and then do a lot of things different from what they said, attraction is not a choice, it just means there MIGHT be an obstacle because of her previous negative experience, so avoid triggering anything similar to that and it will likely still go down.

You have to be looking for how you can make things work instead of why they can't work, even if it's irrational because you will get whatever you're focusing on.

Hb Wonderwoman - girls not responding to a single text doesn't mean they aren't interested, a lot of Asian girls are gonna require more legwork than you would expect because they have a lot more options and there isnt much of a chase dynamic from woman to man here unless it's the ceo of baidu's son or something.

So if your first message to her was saying her outfit was good and she responded by saying thank you, then the issue is that your message needs to be constructed in a way to give her more to talk about or respond to.

You may message girls a few times with no response at all and then eventually they hit you back and are really keen, simply cause they broke up with the bf or were sad and now they aren't or they thought you were a player and didn't really like them but because you hit them up a bunch they realize you do actually like them.

HB Sichuan - You should be pinging girls once a week, every week.

HB NZ - How long was the interaction?

HB Finanace - If you're not that keen on this girl, find two more replacements and work on them.

 

1. Please post these at the bottom of your FRs

Things i did well

Things I will do better

Realizations

 

2. We really need to know approx how long the interaction with each girl was and some vague idea of the content as this would enable us to give better feedback

3. Are you bt spiking these girls? kinoing? qualifying?

 

[Sean Monthly Deep Reflections]

On 12/6/2018 at 3:55 PM, Red Pill Philosopher said:

I was at a KTV bar with many Phillipina girls and saw this girl and immediately opened her.  Age 25 HB 6-7.  I have had great improvement since the boot camp a month before and did a good job.  I was super confident, had good Chinese, and she was giving me massive IOI.  The first time I have seen Bambi eyes.  I thought this was going to be my new GF.  We went apart after 5 min or so then she even came into my room to say bye to me.  She texted me the next day and told me she was going on business trip the next day for two weeks.  I didn’t text her. 

A week later she texted me back and initiated chat with me.  We sent texts for about an hour one day during class.  When she asked me how long I have been in China I told her 14 years.  I think this was a mistake because then maybe that is when she realized I was 37. 

When I tried to set up a date, she was a little bit flaky, a little avoidant, and wouldn’t set up a time with me.  I thought she was playing “hard to get” so I waited a week to contact her back.  At first she was super eager and contacted me but now if I send her a message once a week she is not very responsive at all.  Now the response is minimal.  I think she thinks I am “too old” but maybe that is just my excuse.

I don’t really understand this one because she seemed more eager than me.  Maybe I was a little needy but I don’t think that is the problem.  With HB Dog Walker, I know where I fucked up.  But with HB KTV I don’t know why she is no longer interested.   I think age difference…

UPDATE: While writing this, I contacted her again and she appears to be more receptive.  She says she is really busy at work and will have more time after winter holiday.  Hmmmm….she suddenly seems more interested but that might be because we are talking about going out after Chinese New Year which is two months away and she can flake out later.  Obviously, if she was interested she wouldn’t want to wait that long.  I am confused.

Why didn't you text her back when she texted you? Not doing so is a big no no as she signalled interest by telling you her schedule and you signalled disinterest by ignoring her.

Also if you're getting attraction in that moment, CAPITALISE ON IT as it's not something that will last a long period of time while shes away from you, compliance is what matters, good reactions are enjoyable but wont necessarily lead to anything useful whereas measuring and pushing for more compliance will.

I seriously doubt its the 'too old' thing, reinforcing negative limiting beliefs isnt good for you, so stop it and focus on what will help you.

Her lack of response is far more likely to be because she feels like you're not interested in her or she found a better option during that time because you didn't reciprocate, you also have to factor in peoples varying emotional states.

A lot of girls can be keen one day and then somewhat different the next because of the emotional turbulence in their own lives, so don't automatically attribute everything to yourself or being about you.

What happens if you invite her out to something next week? i.e have you tried, if so what was her response?  

[Sean Monthly Deep Reflections]

On 12/6/2018 at 3:55 PM, Red Pill Philosopher said:

So I met HB Dog walker on the street walking her dog.  She is about 27 years old and a HB 5-6.  I used the normal “ChuanGuan routine” and then she said there was a place to get noodles.  I told her that I didn’t know where it is, then she pointed to down the street, then I said but I can read the menu…will you show me what you like.

That happened on Friday, we agreed to go on the next Monday.  She showed up about 30 minutes late which was OK.  We talked for a little bit and it wasn’t too exciting.  I didn’t make any mistakes, but it was mostly relatively boring conversation about “interview questions” level of topics.  I was definitely seeing some clear IOI.  I am pretty good at reading body language.  I could see a head tilt, hair twirling, and good eye contact.  As we were leaving she quickly paid for the bill before I could.  It was only about 20 RMB.  When we were walking home, I was like this is my house, and then started walking back in.

I am retarded.  I realized afterwards that I should have walked her back to her home which was just one complex over.  I also missed a chance for Kino and kiss.  I could instantly see in her facial expression that she had a look of “shock” and then she went home.  I understand my mistake, will not make it again, and reading body language helped me realize this mistake and I will NEVER  make it again.  This was my first date since my divorce and a part of the reason why I freezed up is because my dog has “dual custody” and my dog wasn’t with me that night.  I hadn’t told her that I was divorced yet or with kids.

I sent her a text later that night and even though she was showing IOI on the date, she politely told me that there “was no need”.  Basically, she was giving me “girl code” for no need to go on a second date.  In that text message she said asked if I was married.  I said no. Then I asked her why she asked that and she said I looked “older”. 

Analysis: I think without a doubt the not walking home killed any chance I had with her and honestly I don’t think I had “super high value” in her eyes to begin with.  It was my first date since the divorce and so I am not really worried about it.  I think the 10 year age difference was also a factor.

Good job on posting this up.

Her asking if you were married was because for Chinese people being unmarried past 25 is weird, you could tell her that you were divorced and it probably wouldn't be a big issue so long as you dont show lots of negative emotion about it.

What could you do to make the convo more interesting?

You ideally should pay the bill on the first date, usually if you pay for one thing the girl will contribute for another, this also somewhat depends on the girls financial means ( an 18 year old college student vs a 25 year old girl with a job)

The whole walking inside thing isn't too great, live and learn.

During the date you ideally should be seeding things for the next date so you have an obvious direction forward, you should also be asking the girl questions to figure out how she fits into your life/your short or long term goals.

It is ur first date since ur divorce, so don't be hard on yourself, just be objective and move forwards.

The no need thing - its unclear what you mean here, usually if the girl isnt interested at all she wont respond again after the date.

You don't need super high value, you just need good enough.

 

As for a first date venue, you could probably come up with some better places than the cheap noodles.

 

It's awesome you wrote this up, you should use the format of:

 

Things I did well

Things i will do better

Realizations

 

Ill respond to the other posts tomorrow.

[Sean Monthly Deep Reflections]

On 12/6/2018 at 3:52 PM, Red Pill Philosopher said:

Basic PUA Strategy for apartment:

I am 37 years old.  I am recently going through a divorce.  I am a “theory guy”.  I have read lots of books on PUA and listened to multiple seminars but I was full of shit because I never actually did anything…I just read books and listened to stuff.

I finished Kane’s boot camp on 10-1 or so.  I had hoped that that experience would jump start my ability to approach because that was what was preventing me from achieving any of my goals.  I know a lot about theory, but I did not have the ability to execute.

I had the goal of doing night game twice a month and approaching 3 girls every Monday-Thursday outside of my apartment complex.  I live far away and I wanted a Chinese GF to have sex with and practice Chinese with. 

My standards are relatively low.  I am hoping on settling for the first decent chick I can attract to have a practice GF after my divorce.  I hope to find a HB 6 or higher and she speaks no English.  I am not needing a girl to be super young, smart or interesting.  I want a “temporary LTR”. 

My strategy is basically going up to the girl and following this process:

1.       Walk down the street with my dog.

2.       Are you from JingKui?  (Name of apartment complex)

3.       After “Chun Guang” closed down all the restaurants…where do you eat?

4.       Jinkui is boring, what do you do for fun?

5.       Can I get your WeChat?

I have iterated several times and I think this strategy is the best I have come up with.  The dog helps with comfort.  The “Are you from Jinkui” helps with commonality and rapport.  The restaurants closing by ChunGuan gives me “logical reason” to talk with them.  The what do you do for fun is my away from food transition and gives a logical reason for the to give me their WeChat.

 

Why is the opener '' are you from x apartment complex'?

The main reason you will have trouble with this is that you're skipping a bunch of the steps and not really displaying any value nor really building any comfort.

From the girls perspective, you've approached her with some questions and then asked her for wechat.

Where is the part thats generating attraction or giving her a reason to see you again?

Your notes at the end of the quoted section aren't incorrect but they are insufficient because you're repeating the theory behind the moves, not the experience of the girl.

 

On 12/6/2018 at 3:53 PM, Red Pill Philosopher said:

I don’t know what to think.  In the two months after boot camp I have collected about 20 WeChats    I know without a doubt I have seen vast improvement.  I was doing day game 4 times a week for the first month and then I only did it that process for 2 weeks the next month. 

I am already starting to feel a little let down.  I did a lot of work before I did the boot camp.  I had read about 30 books about PUA and listened to about 300 hours of David DeAngelo seminars among other things.  I lost 35 kg of fat.  I have been working out 5 days a week.  I have been taking hair medication.  I have probably approached at least 100 girls after boot camp and this has resulted in one D2, zero D3s, and 0 lays.

I don’t know if I want to “quit” already, but it is getting harder to sustain the work without getting any tangible results in tangible outcomes.  The one thing I will say is that I know without a doubt I have improved my ability to approach.  This isn’t just a feeling.  The improvement is obvious.

AA is much diminished than before.  When I approach I am doing it with more confidence than before.  The boot camp and the time afterwards has really helped improve my skill but the end results aren’t really improving yet.

I have collected about 20 WeChats and contacted about 10 of them.  Of those 10 WeChats only 2 of them have responded at all and the rest only got a one or two line response and then nothing.  I know that if there are multiple girls not responding, and I am the only common denominator, it must be me and not them.  So now I need to do some reflecting and get some feedback from the community.

 

You should really increase the numbers of girls you're approaching, modify how you're approaching them and you should be REVIEWING your results properly.

I.e writing field reports - as they help you identify the necessary changes to progress quickly.

Also you should meet girls in more than just one environment.

It's great that you've improved your ability to approach, as for improving the end results you really really really need to be putting your experiences down on the forum and getting feedback, also taking part in the groups a lot more would be helpful.

Also I don't know what you've been messaging or doing with the 20 wechat contacts you've gotten, if you've only contacted them once etc etc.

So posting screen shots of your convo with them or at least sharing what their responses have been and what you've been sending is paramount to improving the situation.

 

On 12/6/2018 at 3:54 PM, Red Pill Philosopher said:

My possible hypothesis around the lack of tangible outcomes:

Not enough skill: 

Maybe I am just not good enough at game.  I started at a very low level, and have improved to “ok”.  Maybe if I was “intermediate”, then I would have created more attraction to begin with, and I would have achieved better outcomes by now. When I went out with Jeffrey he was getting far more attraction than I was with similar situations.  Obviously, Kane as well got far different responses than I did.

Age mismatch:

I am a 37 year old white guy and almost all the women I approach are aged 22-26.  It is possible I am not getting any D2 because the women I am approaching are 10-15 years younger than me and they are not interested in dating an older guy.  The one girl that clearly wanted a D2 was aged 40 or so.  The 10 girls that didn’t want D2 were aged 25 or so.  I am not really trying for super young girls, it just so happens those are the only age girls out and about when I am sarging.  This is my current “story” that I tell my ego to explain my lack of results.  However, other people have told me it was bullshit.  Jeffrey is only two years younger than me and his results have been clearly different as well.

Value mismatch:

The three girls that I was most attracted to were HB 7-8.  Kane told me I am a 6-6.5.  It is possible they are not interested in D2 because they are higher value than me and have better options.  However, I also had problems getting a D2 with girls that have a lower value than me so that can’t be the whole reason.

Lack of physical attraction:

Maybe I am not attractive enough to find a GF.  I am 37, have a receding hairline, have a rating of 6, and don’t wear particularly nice clothes.  I have lost weight and got some hair back and improved my looks some, but maybe it is still insufficient and I am too “ugly” to get attraction.  This also can’t be true because I have not sealed the deal with girls of lower value.  Also, I don’t dress particularly well.

 

Jeffrey has been out actively in field practising for a long time and did his bootcamp quite a while ago, I've got had a lot of infield experience, so don't expect yourself to garner the same results, just look for the bits and pieces you can use to improve your Game, going out with more experienced people is great and you should keep it up.

The age thing - nah, for some girls it may be a thing but for most it isn't, it's different from back home.

I'm 33.

The girls 'not wanting' a day 2 isn't going to be about you as a person, it's going to be about their experience with you, 'Game' is a persuasion method used in the context of dating, so we are trying to break down and refine each section of our interaction with women.

So unless they really really know you, they aren't basing their decision on ''you'' so much as they are on your behavior.

As for them not coming out - there are likely lots of tweaks you could make to change that, it's really difficult to say without you showing us more of whats going on.

 

Value thing - really hard to say as it's not that simple.

 

Physical attraction - I bet you've seen plenty of guys less attractive than yourself with girls, so dont worry about that.

You could improve the dressing area of things, as that always helps raise your value.

 

On 12/6/2018 at 3:54 PM, Red Pill Philosopher said:

Not enough attraction to begin with:

Some of the girls did not eagerly give me their WeChat and I had to “push through”.  After trying to talk to them again, they will only respond a few lines of text because they just gave me their WeChat to be polite.  They were not interested in me to begin with.  If they were super interested, they would be more eager to talk on WeChat.

Bad location for pickup:

I have done about 80% of my approaches outside my apartment when work finishes.  I have not really alternated to other places.  Maybe the place where I am doing game is bad and that is why my results are bad.  There is about a 3-1 male to female ratio here and many of the girls that are here are married or have boyfriends.  The women are also younger.  If the demographics of the place where I do pickup is bad, then the results will be bad.

Already have boyfriends:

Because the place where I am doing pickup has a 2-1 ratio, it is possible I am not getting replies on WeChat because they already have boyfriends or husbands.

Not enough approaches:

Maybe I have not done enough approaches to expect results.  I only approach 3 women a day at most and I don’t really push it that hard anyways.   I haven’t really been doing it long enough to expect results. There have only been really 3-4 girls where I had genuine attraction with and it is possible these girls had boyfriends.

Just trying to get minimum:

I have been just trying to satisfy the minimum requirement which is 3 approaches.  I have not really even been focused on girls that I am really attracted to or even the best situations.  I just want to get it done in order to have done my “quota” for the day.  This attitude might be part of my lack of results.  Tit is not a “success” mindset.

Not enough attraction - how long are you interacting with them for?

To me it sounds like you just need to really practice creating attraction in women, as i've said before, I think you should do it in a variety of environments that have varying difficulty levels as that will make it easier for you to see the right signals so you know when you're doing it really right.

Bad location - yeah thats definitely a possibility, I think you should try a bunch of different places, as it's getting cold this will influence things somewhat, shopping malls, book stores, the metro and other parts of Shanghai are definitely worth checking out, you don't have to do it alone.

Boyfriends - maybe, too hard to say, also it doesn't always matter.

Not enough approaches - Yeah i think that you definitely should be doing more, the more data you get the easier it is to improve things and the higher chances you have of converting.

The girls you've already hit up - its highly likely you could improve things with them via text and convert them, show us where it's at in the group so we can give you feedback, or feel free to post it here.

Trying to get minimum - Yeah this is a real problem.

Why do you think this is?

I understand that learning the theory of things is where your comfort zone is, you've also shown a lot of umphf in doing the foot work...so why not get something from that?

[D2 with super shy girl]

Any thoughts?

[LR D2- Petite 8,5 I met from Nightgame]

Also do you guys realize you're posting in the open public forum instead of the actual alumni forum?

[LR D2- Petite 8,5 I met from Nightgame]

On 10/31/2018 at 4:49 PM, LuckyLuke said:

I had a Date scheduled with a tall HB 7,5 I also met from Nightgame. She told me an hour before that she ll show up with her female friend that flew in from another city, so I cancelled the whole thing and told her we ll do it another day. Now I had to find sth else to do for the evening. I was going through my wechat texting some girls that might have time. HBPetite was very responsive because I left a funny comment on photoshopped picture of her the day before where I acted a bit retarded and she found it to be very funny. She was hungry and I convinced her to have a meal at Tai Koo Li instead of having some fried rice by herself. We met at Tai Koo Li, had some foreign food, she didnt liked it(truffle cream tagliatelle, WTF dish directly from heavens gate and u DONT LIKE it....) but that was okay. I of course paid for everything. Because she didnt liked it I suggested some ice cream as a dessert. She then accidentally bought an 10$ ice cream cone I also paid for( lol fuck me, right?). After that we walked around the area for another hour and had fun conversation about her and me.Her last EXes were foreigners I found out. Speaks fluent English and is quite smart, so it was all fun and interesting. 

why did you cancel cause she brought the friend?

You could have taken a wing man along

Met her for 30 minutes and then schedule something for next time

tried to run the set with both girls yourself.

Usually girls bringing their friend along means they are trying to make sure you can't bang them on the first date, not that they don't want things to work out with you, yes it is annoying but can be something you can turn to your advantage.

 

HBPetite - you need a better date plan.

 

On 10/31/2018 at 4:49 PM, LuckyLuke said:

After a while I brought up that I need help with my projector at my new place. I acted like I didnt know how to search for foreign movies. She agreed and we walked home. We watched a comedy on my uncomfortable couch (have to replace that) . I did cuddling kino and escalated throughout the movie. Already had intense makeouts before the movie ended but she actually wanted to finish it. After the movie things went their natural way and I closed easily. The Sex had a very vanilla and romantic vibe to it. After the first round she told me that she wanted to stay overnight. But she needed some make up removal and contact liquid. So we went downstairs and I bought some and a phone charger since she uses an Iphone. After that round 2. 

The next day she stayed until afternoon, she felt very comfortable at my place. I really like this girl, she is probably the most attractive I have banged yet. I enjoyed her company and I am looking forward to see her again.

If she believed the projector thing and banged like that, you didnt obviously hit any compliance wall where she is giving you any resistance.

It's a good idea to figure out where the limit is so then you have a clearer idea of how you're doing and what adjustments you need to make.

Two more things:

 

1. You should write out Things i did well, Things i will improve, realizations

2. You met a girl, did a bit of stuff, banged, she was the most attractive girl you've banged so far......so.....do this a lot more?

If you're meeting 30 new girls a week, you only need to bang 10% to be getting 3 new girls a week, up your numbers.

[D2 with super shy girl]

On 10/24/2018 at 8:41 PM, Limonaid said:

So from Daygame , I met her . she is 4 on my scale. She is around 30, travelling Chengdu alone, staying in a hotel. It was quite easy to get her on the D2. So, I decided to go on the date because I wanted to practice my D2.

Today, around 3:30, we met near subway which is nearby a temple. We walked in to the temple. She was friendly though she was very shy and nervous. We were communicating through translator. After walking for some minutes, she took me to dinner. On the dinner, I was trying to build the conversation. She was responsive but most of the qualifying questions I asked, she avoided. Also she was not responsive to kino. She paid for the Dinner.

After Dinner, she asked me to visit another temple. By that time, I was unable to carry the conversation. Every way, I tried to start the conversation, she was not willing to join. I was looking for body language cues to see if she was bored or something. So after reaching the second spot, I decided to push my kono further. Suddenly, she was responsive to the Kinos. So I led her by taking her hand in the crowd. 

What sort of date plan did you have or not have going into this?

You ideally should have a plan for where you're gonna go and overall what topics or stories you're going to use.

Also keep the stack in mind and where you're getting stuck on it:

attraction

qualification

comfort

sexcalation

 

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After visiting the second spot, we were walking towards the subway to get back home. This time she was holding my hand when we were crossing the road. I understood, for some girls, it takes more time to get comfort. Then I thought may be on the next date, I will get her more responsive. So I said to her that I still owe you for the dinner treat. I invited her for coffee on another day. She said okay.

Things I have done better:
1. I used body language more often to make her understood what I was saying
2. Took the risk to push the Kino further

Things I could do better:
1. Building more comfort and attraction
2. I was afraid of kinoing her. I need to overcome that.
3. My sexual projection was not that good

 

Did you try seeding any place where you coudl take her and be alone with her? (dvd room is probably ur best option).

 

Go on some more dates so you have a better comparison and can find ur weak spots.

 

Good job on writing the FR and going on the date, don't be afraid to add more detail.

 

If you find yourself getting stuck on what to say, have some prepared routines to fill in the gaps.

[Idea for a date plan with Americanish Chinese girl]

3 hours ago, mouthpiece said:

Idea for a date plan with Americanish Chinese girl

Quick list

1.       Pick her up from close by station and walk to the venue *seed

2.       A beer or two at artsy venue *Seed*

a.       Demonstrate attraction, kino and qualify

3.       Bounce to a music venue, (maybe close dance or silly dance with her) *seed

a.       Demonstrate attraction, kino and qualify

4.       Bounce to a rooftop for a cool view of the city *seed*

a.       Comfort

5.       Bounce to mine seeding ________________

6.       Bang

 

1. tell her approximately where it is and how long it's going to take to get there, also if shes changed her nail color or hair or something, point it out.

2. do you know this venue? you should be seeding either the next date or the reason for bouncing home

Approx how long are you gonna stay here?

What are you going to do to DHV? 

3. How long you gonna stay at the music venue?

4. What are you going to do to create comfort?

5. You should be seeding the home bounce much earlier and throughout the date.

What number date is this?

You need to have more specific stuff you're gonna do at each section to address each section.

I.e for comfort I would tell my dog story, as i know how it affects girls by using it 39487398457x, qualification - I would be improving it based off what I like, it's also good to use a qualification routine though.

What are her logistics? i.e where does she live, how long does she have with you for the date today?

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21 hours ago, mouthpiece said:

Bootcamp Babe D4

I’m coming back from a D4 with a girl that I like call Bootcamp Babe

I didn’t get laid. Why? Because I had a minimalistic plan in my head!

 I have been cruising very arrogantly in my pickup journey, not really pushing myself to approach and not actually getting much success outside off a few tinder/online and one party hook-up which had turned into a semi-fuck-buddy relationship.

Failing to plan is planning to fail.

Being egotistical will stop growth, we all need help or an outside perspective at some points.

You should read this report 

 

It's a great example of what occurs if you just cruise on auto pilot and don't do things well - things don't work out when it really counts.

21 hours ago, mouthpiece said:

Pre-date

The last time we met, we went to her rooftop and we made out a bit. I realize now, this might have been detrimental to my progress

Yeah this can go either way, its generally better to play it safe and not make out until you're in the bang location.

 

21 hours ago, mouthpiece said:

The Date

I message her to met on a Tuesday. She suggests going to a thing called the Idea exchange which is sort of like an amateur ted talk. I kind of like these events and they are good to mingle at and I thought my interaction with the girl was going well so I agree.

The day-of I made no plan to get her home or things I would do on the event and I realize now how detrimental this was to the whole process. I think the reason I haven’t made a plan in a while is because last year I was having mighty fine success just cruising through the same date. I got bored with this plan and decided to see one girl more than most but this didn’t help my position of improving.

Anyway, so we met at ametro station near the event and we go to the event. We talk a little bit before the event about how things and what it’s going to be like and I compliment her outfit because she looks great. She is wearing heels, which is relevant later on. We sit down and the conversation kind of dies down and we make a bit of small talk. The talk starts, we don’t talk because there is a speaker talking.

The issue with going to an event where you don't have control over the environment, is that you don't have control over the environment, so shit can go very wrong as you've gotta spend a lot of time dealing with random shit, plus you aren't spending your time building the connection with her, the most basic and important aspect of seduction is focused attention, without that, things generally aren't gonna go well.

So not having a clear plan definitely was an issue here.

The not being able to talk thing is a similar problem to going to a movie, it may or may not hurt, but it certainly doesn't help.

 

21 hours ago, mouthpiece said:

We chat with her friends as we are leaving. We make a reason to go home and she tells me that her feet hurt. I should have turned that into something funny but I offer a solution of going to her to get changed. We get in the taxi and I say I like her friends because they challenge themselves. She gets out near her place and she says goodbye.

 This comes as a surprise to me and I ask her if she’s coming back. She says have a goodnight and I get out to try and convince her to come back. She says no and she goes off while I get in the taxi with my dick between her legs. I’m furious at myself which is why I writing this now.

I text her saying “that was a surprise but it was nice to see you”. She responds with “what? Why?” I say that I thought we were getting a drink (*I seeded this in text earlier…). She says “I thought I told my feet hurt. I wanna go home” I respond to that with “I got that bit” I continue with It’s no problem, next time we can spend more time together next time” I send her a message 4 minutes later saying “ don’t worry, I thought we made plan to go to the bar but I didn’t communicate it well enough” . I’m furious at myself with the last message because that was the fucking emotional response to her not omcing with me which probably killed loads of brownie points I had… Fucking hell, I need to go back to the drawing board and figure it out.

 

There isn't enough detail here to really know what is going on in terms of Game, i.e it's not clear that you've actually run any, it seems more like you've just got a girl you assume is gonna bang you if you just handle logistics well enough and do your 'usual' thing.

The reason we split the process of gaming a girl up into sections is that it allows us to trouble shoot where we make mistakes, and also to 'balance out' everything the girl likely needs both emotionally and logically to be down for sex.

Attraction - Qualification - Comfort - Seduction

 

Based on what you've written - The girl went on a date with you, spent half of it hanging out with her friends and didn't feel very good about the rest of it, so she hit the eject button.

You approached this in the typical 'we can be friends and end up fucking each other' fashion that works with western chicks if they don't have better options and the value levels are similar.

You really should read the art of seduction, as it unsurprisingly talks about being seductive, which wasn't clear in this field report.

If i'm missing anything or inaccurate - pls give more detail and i'll try to give a better response.

If you just wanna fuck girls and don't care beyond banging them once, you can calibrate your game to be very attraction focused that will lead to that result more easily.

 

You said this was a D4?

What was the d1, d2, d3?

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It was one of the important realizations I had during the BC- when the girl doesn’t speak English, I feel uncomfortable and that feeling makes girl uncomfortable. So Kane taught me some more gestures which I can use to communicate with girls and It really worked fine. Suddenly I realize that, I don’t hate night clubs anymore. Bingo!!!

Ding ding.

 

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Then Kane gave me the access to the group of some intelligent, motivated people who are really working on improving their life. He showed me how I can take my life, game to the next level by consistent practice and understanding myself deeply.

You earned access, by dedicating yourself to becoming more awesome.

 

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If you guys ask me what was the hardest part during the bootcamp, I won’t spend a second to say that writing down the realizations. Now, If I look at the realizations I have had, I can feel that those are the most important things I got from the BC. I am glad to share those realizations with you and I will make them as simple as possible:

If you consistently practice and write field reports for just 12 months, you will be shocked at the continuing realizations you will have.

 

You did a great job on the bootcamp, keep up the good work!!!!!

[LR: HB Tantan Lee - D2 Car Lay]

2 minutes ago, Made You Look! said:

September 2017, almost a year ago, I met HB Tantan Lee over Tantan and we quickly had a D1 in Shenzhen. She just got off work, ran the date with a typical dinner and a movie. Kinoed right off the bat with a hand on her waist and sometimes switching it up to hand over the shoulders.

Nothing special happened during the D1, drove her back home which was super far from her work place. She has to take a 1.5 hours subway ride to commute to work, everyday. You can imagine the distance from her home and her work place. After the D1, vaguely remember the reason why we stopped talking but it might be because lack of attraction, finding ways to close her since she lives far and because she lives far. From my place to get to her's, also requires 1.5 hours drive which I think its not worth the effort if she isn't a top notch looking 9 or a 10.

Couple weeks ago, she randomly messaged me and I had totally forgotten who she was. During the time we haven't spoken a word, I formatted my phone several times due to phone hardware issues and all chat history was lost. I didn't bother backing up the chat logs of the girls I wasn't speaking to at the moment and she didn't have selfies pictures on her moments so I had no idea who she was. I had told her that i do not remember who she was (bad move btw) for two reasons, for girls I don't lable as "ping" on their Wechat description, I know they aren't the top notch 9's and 10's and also I because had a full pipeline. My reactions were careless and therefore I would be more direct with girls. If she had decided to eject the conversation, I would be fine because I am the type of guy that would hate to reject women. In fact, my direct replies or cold replies would automaticly filter them out, cause y'all know, Mr. Ballz Deep is busy going Deep Inside.
 

Logistics logistics logistics.

What made things come back with her recently?

 

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After her inital ping to get my attention, we stopped chatting for a week. It was during the time HB Hong Kong Milf was giving me a hard time and ignoring me, again, I had thought of her. I started up the chat again and she knew I wanted to bang. For my first attempt to set a meet, she would reply something like "Lets meet another time, because i am on period." Thats when you know that shes down and that she knows what I am thinking.  Over text, I kept reinforcing that having sex on the period is okay but she wasn't down for it at all.   Anyways, i stopped that thread and if she was not being easy, i wouldn't make myself available for her. We finally scheduled a day where we both think her period would end, Sunday. 

It's Sunday, I messaged her the time to meet and asked her to send me location so I can pick her up. She mentions that she still on period but I had to meet up with her because I was eager to see her and also she was going to be out of town for the next couple days after Sunday for a family vacation. I told her its okay no problem.

Met up, typical dinner then movie. Pulled out my Movie routine, sat at the upper right corder, the two seater since the theater was already full where no one could sit beside us because on my right would be the hallway and on her left would be the wall, started feeling her Sugar Wallz under her panties and grabbing and playing with her titties and nipples. Tons of hard resistants all throughout the movie, it was no easy task, so i had to use force to dig my hands under those panties.  It was no easy task, trust me.  That's when I noticed that she wasn't wearing a pad nor a tampon. Didn't she say she was on her period! LMR right there.

Ahh ok you hit her up again.

Lol, why were you sexcalating in the movie cinema?

 

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After the movie, as she came out of the bathroom I asked her if she was on her period because I couldn't feel her Tampon and my fingers weren't bloody after going semi in her Sugar Walls (she was resisting really hard fighting with my hands and trying to pull my hands away). She said she's still on her period.

As we leave the mall, down to the underground parking lot, to my car, right before she entered, i told her to sit in the back seat, she was like "No!" then i was like "why, not, its comfortable at the back." She went in, and she sat right away, I pushed her inside further, got in, locked the door and started going for the makeout. LMR, so I decided to suck on those tities, she started moaning, with resistance of pulling me off, so i necked her, and tried to pull her pants down. It was so tight that it was impossible to take her pants off. She resisted and quickly insisted of buttoning back the pants on and i forcedfully unbutton them and tried her rip her pants down. She finally gave up and said "Okay, okay, i'll take them off myself." and thats when the magic happened.

The exiting thing was there were people walking around the parking lot looking for their cars, sometimes they would walk past my windshield on the side and the front. She was afraid they would see us, I wasn't, just another day at the office.  I've had Car Bangs situations before. The most exiting was the one car that was parked right beside mine and they had a couple people there entering and opening their trunks. I knew they couldn't see me cuz luckly the back seat windows are tinted, too bad the front seat windows are not.

lol you're a high level scumbag with the backseat move.

'Just another day at the office' 

-- Mr Balls Deep 2018

 

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After the bang, I came quicker than I thought, kissing was so good and she was super wet. We were all sweating because we didn't turn on the car for AC or else people would know that we are doing some crazy shit. She told me that i needed to “加油 ” which is a Chinese term that i needed to improve or do better, that my performance was is insufficient. This is the absolute first time that a girl told Mr. Balls Deep that he needed to improve. I was SHOCKED! I was like Wow, this girl has what it takes to be fully pounded?? This girl must be hardcore because she was demanding that I would thrust faster which hardly any girl would tell me this because I already make girls limp, tired, exhausted after sex! I make girls scared of having sex because my duration and power is something they've never seen before! She must be crazy for sex. 

Dropped her home, should of future projected the next meet, didn't because she lives super far. Planning to really test her to see how much she can take. Going to project a meet soon and see if shes worth while to keep.

Made You Look!
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