[Bootcamp Shanghai April 2017]

Bootcamp FTW: An overview of my Shanghai Bootcamp experience with Kane Vast

 

Prior experience

I normally date 7/10 in looks and 9/10 in personality girls, with a significant fear of girls who are 9's and 10's. I have frequent relationships with women but feel like I rarely date a girl who is worth a long-term commitment, which shows to me that I'm not reaching my highest potential. Never gamed before, never read any books on game and really only met girls through solid social skills and luck. My goal is to decrease my social fears and I expect that to address underlying social anxieties as well (both with women and in other circumstances).

 

You've come into this at a pretty good place in terms of your situation and openness to learning, so teaching you so far has been pretty easy as you've picked up whatever i've given you and applied it well.

 

 

 

Overview

As I write this, I am still struck by the systematic and understandable approach to game presented in the bootcamp. Kane is a fantastic instructor, and both understands the deep theory behind game but also the practical realities of growing from a normal to a desirable man. I think the juxtaposition of these two qualities is what makes the bootcamp (and Kane) special.

 

The theory of game was presented early and often: you are valuable and if you present that value clearly to women they will appreciate it and return the favor. "Gaming yourself" is a big part of game, and that is probably the most valuable part of the bootcamp. It gave me "you can do it" reference material: we went and met women for 3 days of non-stop fear-fighting. Now I have no excuses.

 

Thanks .

Yeah you've definitely got the right idea, most girls just want guys to be capable enough at Game/life that they can be together, feel safe and happy.

One of the greatest things about this experience is looking back at how things were a month or two before and seeing the changes and differences in mindset.

 

Bootcamp Day 1 Night Game

The first day started with an overview of theory. I had read "The Black Book" ahead of time (and was half-way through a book called "The Manual"), so I was prepared and understood what Kane was teaching. He showed me (often literally, by standing up and demonstrating) the various aspects of game and how one goes through the motions with a woman. It was enlightening, because I can look back to my past successes and map it almost directly to the process he described.

 

Yeah I don't think there is much we are teaching that is really outside the 'normal' behavior of what men do with women, it's just that we've taken 100 good bits and pieces from literally thousands of peoples infield experiences and condensed them into structured lessons.

 

This is actually also why the art of seduction is fascinating, especially when you have reference experience to compare it to.

 

Then we went out to Zapata's, a dodgy 4/10 club that was perfect to practice at. I was truly shocked by how well it worked. I couldn't wipe the grin off my face the whole night, whether I got blown out or whether I got the girl's number. It didn't matter. I learned some key lessons:

1) Persistence. From a woman's perspective, they have no reason to stop and talk to you just by you saying hi. Especially in the first night, I was shocked by how often I thought a set was over and yet persisted to number close (and if I wanted, probably a first date).

2) Conversation skills. I've always hated small talk - especially with people I don't know. Kane armed with a number of topics (really simple ones like what's your favorite color, do you like dogs or cats, etc.) and taught me how to hold a woman's attention in spite of language barriers and not knowing what to say.

 

Persistence is really huge, if you remember what I told you about framing, someone is gonna hold the dominant frame, it might as well be you.

Conversation - yeah, as we've discussed, it's really just about a balance of pressure and emotiveness, the actual content is secondary.

 

3) SuperKane. There is nothing like the feeling of being stuck in a set and having Kane save the day. It happened time and time again. Whether he was dealing with the girl's friends, or whispering conversation ideas into my ear, he was the training wheels I needed to be successful.

4) Posture and other tactics. There are so many little tactics that Kane taught me, including how to stand when talking inside a loud club, where to hold the girl so you can control the situation.

 

Results: I got through a full 5 sets, including numbers and clear interest. The club didn't have any girls I was interested in going on a first date with, but that wasn't the point - it was an amazing practice night and helped me understand just how valuable this weekend was going to be.

 

Yeah it's lots of minor fixing that create the great experience for the girl.

I'm glad you got so much from the first night even though I get that it wasn't your preferred venue or girls.

 

Bootcamp Day 2 Day Game

Picking up girls at a mall? Never tried it, but today we went to People's Square shopping mall. In fact, I had simply never really hit on a girl anywhere that was not super convenient (aka house parties, the occasional club and occasionally the girl next to me at a cafe/restaurant). Wow did Kane show me how it was done.

 

 

I got blown out all day, but it was the most fun I had during the weekend. I really came away learning a TON of things about game and was able to test a number of situations that I simply never thought possible:

1) STOP. You can actually stop people in their tracks and then move into a 20 minute conversation about absolutely nothing? WTF. Yeah that was amazing.

2) Persistence. If you get denied right away, its not over. Or if you see bad body language, its not over. In fact, most of the time you are probably just misreading the situation.

 

It's difficult doing it in a mall compared to a house party of club because of the different expectations in play, which is directly related to the strength of your frame.

 

You didn't get blown out by every set, it's just that it was more than the night before .

 

I got blown out by my first 4 sets on the first day game due to them all having boyfriends and one two set that was wearing high heels who just ran away.

 

 

3) BT spikes. ANYTHING can BT spike a girl. You're just trying to either make them feel good or make a lame joke. Over time, these things might get better but I was amazed at how often my BT spikes were something as silly as guessing they were from Korea or that they were ABC's just because.

 

Results: A few number closes and a ton of blow outs. I learn more from failure than from success, and this was a great example. Also, venue-wise this was a practice venue (girls either spoke too little English or lived quite far away).

 

Yeah I think we can figure out a way for you to find approximately where your preferred demographic will be from here on.

 

As i mentioned before, the emotiveness is really the key, rather than how high brow or low brow the content is.

 

I appreciate your perspective of primarily practicing the skill as that made my job of teaching you easier.

 

 

Bootcamp Day 2 Night Game

Game on. This was easily the most successful session, and it really went well - we visited Le Baron, a 7/10 club in Shanghai's French Concession. I felt on fire throughout the night - going up to beautiful women and catching their interest quick, using touch early and often, and making them laugh. Kane was there, winging me and helping me through sets - but this was the first time I felt I really did it on my own.

 

You did a great job.

Le Baron is awesome.

 

 

The key to this night was quality. Until now, we had mostly talked to "practice" girls. Given I already had a few female relationships in China, I had a decently high bar for who I'd first date in the coming week. This night, we met at least 4 girls I'd first date. Here's what I learned:

1) Confidence. When I got blown out, I could think back and feel that my confidence was weak. For the most part, this night it wasn't and the momentum meant that nearly 75% of girls I approached hooked and gave me time to bring in the wingman. From there, my confidence rode most through to number close.

 

This 'confidence' feeling will get better and better as you practice more.

 

2) Sexual conversation?! What?! Kane had me play a fun game with girls called Strawberry Fields - where you engage the girl and talk about sex with her. I loved it and they loved it too. Frankly I wouldn't have believed it would work if it wasn't for my extreme respect for Kane at that point. Fortunately, it did and I got through 3 conversations where I brought it up and it helped build attraction to first date with the girls.

 

There are plenty of other such 'psychological tests' and routines online that you could also try out.

I was using a non sexual version of strawberry fields for a few months before I did my bootcamp, so it was easy to use, It's basically always been a winner.

 

 

3) Tricks work. At least in the beginning, the "stack" that Kane gave me at the beginning of each session was invaluable. I felt like I had enough content to go through a full set and keep the girls' interest. Given my hatred for small talk, this provided me with enough content to win.

 

It's good to hear that the stack was useful, some people get stuck with doing 'random stuff' which isn't very good, so it seems like the stack served it's purpose.

 

'Tricks' work because girls hate being bored and the tricks make things fun, they're merely a useful tool to learn how to be fun.

 

 

4) Time bridge. I almost got too excited during this night and forgot to fully close some girls. It wasn't a major goal, but it is useful to remember: the structure matters and it works; if you want to get good you must turn it into second nature to go through the whole thing.

 

Results: many number closes, but most importantly a first date with a girl who fit my criteria. More attractive than girls I'd normally meet with a great personality. I ended up first dating her and we'll see if it leads to a second date.

 

Yeah it's really important to internalize the structure, so practice practice practice.

 

With a bit of luck you will get that girl out again and make things happen.

 

 

 

Bootcamp Day 3 Day Game

Ride that wave. The confidence and momentum from the previous two days led us through to the hardest day of the weekend: Day Game at Xintiandi (a high-end shopping area in Shanghai). It was fascinating to try approaching and getting through sets in that environment.

 

Xintiandi is fantastic.

 

Overall, I left this session feeling like Kane was a freaking genius and this process he taught us is going to work. It will take consistent practice, but it works. Here's what I learned:

1) Confidence. No matter how hot, fast-walking, uninterested the girl looks, you need to confidently command their respect. This was a huge lesson - and at some point we simply just practice stopping girls in their tracks. I'm now quite good at it and I think this day was a real breakthrough day.

 

YES.

 

 

2) Storytelling. If there was one major breakthrough today, it was how well I was getting through the story Kane had me tell about my life. I didn't think a girl would sit there and listen to me for 8 minutes tell a story after she just met me, but not only did they do it, but they LOVED it. I was amazed at the reactions I got afterwards from them.

 

Yeah the 'connection' part of the story really really hits home with girls because this is what they are doing with each other a lot of the time and its something that a lot of guys really don't do well.

 

3) BT BT BT BT. It is hard to under-BT spike a girl. Just constantly keep things interesting and engaging, and I can't wait until this is second nature. For now, it was fun to see girls' reactions when you are able to hold their attention for that long and make them smile.

 

Results: a few number closes and an insta-date. But most importantly, the understanding of how valuable persistence can be and how well it can work if you lead and manage the situation.

 

Yep! Keep up that improv and using the exercises we went over and it will become pretty normal pretty fast.

 

In Summary

The bootcamp laid the foundation for everything I needed to know about approaching women, whether during day or night, with words or with gestures/emotions, and in many different situations. I felt like from here practice was the key: just keep going out and trying and eventually this will become second nature. Amazing experience.

 

Glad to hear it!

 

It was a real pleasure working with you and i'm looking forward to seeing you before/during the summit!

[Bootcamp FR: Tokyo, Japan- March 9th]

 

First off, a bug thank you to all of the instructors, Kane, Mr. Right, McConnell for supporting RPQ. Without your energy and help winging it could not have happened.

 

I was finishing up work sending off the last emails and making the last calls of the evening... a rush of excitement taking me over, I could hardly contain myself. I got changed and headed out. Arriving at roppongi I knew that this was the weekend that would change me forever.

 

Got into TGI fridays and went upstairs to see everyone seated. Was nice to see Kane but he was still in pain. (did I just rhyme?) RPQ went into detail about his humble beginnings but his whole point was to give us a background to pickup, how changing small habits can make big impact and how asian girls think and to not make the mistake of treating them like western girls for the most part. It was eye opening.

 

 

After running through the progression of opening and attraction, and explaining the concept of Kino, he told us two things: no alcohol and no line closing or full closing tonight. He wanted us to focus on opening and seeing if we can “hook” a set.

 

 

It was also about teaching you to understand how 'Game' works and that if you demonstrate the right things about girls you will get good responses and can progress things (that's why we had you guys bt spiking and kinoing a lot)

 

The purpose of the first night was getting you guys to be able to begin interactions properly and start controlling direction that you wanted the interaction to go in.

 

Day 1: night game(club setting)

 

I hated and loved clubs, I was used to just dancing and avoiding the fact that i would have to actually approach girls. As we entered, I was a little frozen from paralysis, OMG, we gotta approach girls! It’s BC! But i remembered what i had to do, and what to say. I actually liked the girls in this club in terms of their style, body, face, etc. Mcconnell: “hey, your first set, wait for boomHS to call you in”. It was a korean 2-set and both were young. I entered and kept talking. I tried to kino by touchig her leg, no reaction as in she didnt push my hand away. That meant “compliance”. I got bored and ejected the set by telling her that ill be moving around and ill see her later(using western game tactics because i didnt want to seem like a beta cuck)

 

So....I am a little confused:

You liked the club, you were talking to a young korean girl and she let you touch her and you got bored?

why/how did you become bored?

 

Also the 'ill be moving around and ill see her later' as 'western game tactics because i didnt wanna seem like a beta cuck' - what do you mean?

That staying near her when you're bored and leaving your friend there by himself would be a beta move?

I don't really understand your thinking here, so please explain it more clearly.

 

but as soon as i left martin yelled in my face “what are you doing? Who told you to eject the set?? You cant leave until the opening guy leaves. The wing leaves only then” So i went back in and stayed till my wing ejected.

 

You're supposed to stay in the set because you're a wingman, if you didn't open then your primary objective is to assist the other person in winging and then if things aren't going well and you think the girl may pop or something else is occuring, you've gotta tell your wingman the situation, otherwise he won't know what to do and will be surprised if you just leave as he will then have to start dealing with the other girl as well.

 

 

 

After that, moved around and opened a few more girls, one of them a 2 j-girl set at the bar counter. I opened from the middle, and kept them both engaged and had a BC veteran observer wing me then isolate by moving to the side then talking the position facing the rest of the bar. I quickly kinoed and had my arm around her waist.. and couldn’t believe it. I was full on touching the girl.

 

She was smiling. Her friend eventually broke away from my wing and came to get her and just like that she was gone... I was quickly learning the harsh reality of club game: you gotta move quick, and keep them entertained and push it further by “moving them around the club” otherwise it will fizzle out and someone/something else will ruin the set, and you’ll be left with your dick in your hand.

 

Mainly you've just gotta get used to the 'common problems' in the club and you can learn to predict a lot of these things, so then they're no longer problems.

 

You don't necessarily need to move them around the club a lot, you just need to progress the interaction by doing different things, which you were given a limited amount to do on the first night.

 

As a general thing if you're out clubbing:

Generally from the bar to the dance floor, dance floor to the bar, bar to the door outside, door outside to the convenience store/restaurant near ur place (or just to ur place depending) and then to ur place.

 

 

We went downstairs and i opened a tiny little korean looking girl who turned out to be japanese but really into korean k pop culture. I kinoed hard and moved her around. I didnt where to go from there but probably could have bounced her out. Her friend came but lo and behild, McConnell again came to my rescue by taking away thr grenade. The girl’s vagina was now rubbing on my leg cuz it was between her. I left the set eventually to rescue Mcconnell.

 

This was the girl right next to the bar when i was standing next to you?

 

Then at the end of the night was the set I was most proud of the whole weekend: two tall models, turns out they were halfu: brazilian and japanese. I opened and my instructor, the pimpin McConnell McHandsome followed suit. I called him in but not smoothly. This set was super tough because she was a 10, and she was tall, and she could speak Japanese, english, Portuguese: she knew what she brought to the table. I didn’t expect the set to be easy, so I wanted to make the interaction fun and not ask too many questions. But i still ended up asking a few interview questions. I did some cold reads as BT spikes which got her laughing. She was impressed that I’m speaking Japanese, or trying to anyways. I told her im nervous so she appreciated the honesty. Looking back at it, she probably wanted a little more substance and realness from me. I left the set cuz it was time to go.

 

What do you mean substance and realness?

In the beginning of doing pick up when you're all nervous and unsure, it's difficult to really express a lot about yourself because you're not sure which way is right or wrong.

Overall it sounds like you did a good job, so, great!

 

 

 

For the debriefing we went to a chinese place; forgot the name. What was it guys??? Some of the things i did well: approach the sets I was asked to, used the openers with enthusiasm. Some of the things i didnt do well: not enough Kino, keeping the conversation too light and friendly, not qualifying deeper.

 

It should be 'things i did well' 'things i will do better'

 

Day 2: day game (street-ish).

Next day we metup in roppongi at an Ootoya, then we talked about cutting deeper and opening girls during day game. We talked about qualifying as in building comfort now during our set since it was day game and that was important to establish. Our aim was to open girls at roppongi hills and get some info on them as in what they do.

 

We opened a few sets outside the building then inside. It was cold. I remember only 1 set hooking; 1 girl by herself but she was tall and quite glamorously dressed. I remember now that she was from nagoya. She actually hooked but i didnt know how to progress the interaction. She eventually got bored and saw that im taking it nowhere and so left. I was quite happy with that one.

 

So did you open, bt spike, hook question (what are you doing right today?) qualify, pie?

You haven't really listed here what you said and did.

 

Day 2: day game (indoors)

 

After that we all headed to a starbucks/Tsutaya(japanese bookstore/movie rental) ; It was massive. I didnt really approach much because of the spotlight affect: all the hot girls weremt looking at books, they were sitting down and having a coffee. one girl i approached was from osaka but didnt really hook although she wasnt leaving. Turns out she was visiting and waiting for her friend. She didnt give much info at all and rejected my questions about her name and any many other things. She didnt even face me to answer my questions. I told her im going to osaka next month but she didnt seem to care. Anyways, i stayed in that set long. After that i walked around aimlessly looking for my next prey; most of the girls i wanted to open were sitting down and having a coffee. I was only approaching standing sets. Martin was getting something and so i went to see him.

 

With the osaka girl - basically she wasn't buying what you were selling.

If you get cold reactions, bt spike them more and make fun of them being cold in a playful manner and you can sometimes turn it around.

Why didn't you approach the girls who were sitting down that you said you actually wanted to talk to?

 

 

He told me to approach some girl reading a book on elon musk. So i approached her and there was an older indian gentleman watching us. The spotlight effect was so strong because the location was right in the center of the seating area. The set started out in a way that was smooth and looking back, probably one of the best sets ive done. From the outside perspective of someone who doesnt game it would seem im digging my own grave because i went deeper and deeper into why she thinks Ekon musk is a great man and what he is like then finding out about her based on that using cold reads; i made cold reads about her being smart and studious on a Saturday evening. She accepted some and rejected some. Turns out she was actually chinese and living in japan for 5 years. She got more and more into my talk, and asked me what my friends i were doing after. I told her we are going clubbing in shibuya and she said that she was hoping to go clubbing that night, and so i invited her. I got her line. As i walked back to the group all smug, i got shat on by the instructors. They asked me what i did and told them that invited her. I thought i did pretty well but actually i didn’t get her logistics and where she lives and the fact she was thick and ugly, of course she was more accommodating and open.

 

The spotlight effect is all in your head, people care far more about what they themselves are doing and will only generally watch you in passing curiosity.

 

What do you mean you got 'shat on'?

I am really confused by this because I didn't see anyone yelling at you or abusing you.

 

We are there to help remind you of things you should be doing and giving you advice about how to do particular things better, that is our priority above saying stuff to make you feel better.

 

You're supposed to feel better by improving your game and recognizing where you've done a good job, we also try to point these things out to students too.

 

 

We debriefed. Somethings i did well were that i stayed in the set and tried to continue. 2) I tried to keep the conversation light and fun and used the openers that I was supposed to. 3) I tried to find something i could qualify the girl on. But day game was proving to be harder than club game to my surprise. After debriefing, We split up for a bit to get something to eat so we went for ramen at a place nearby. This is the ramen place that i remember from 3 years ago when i came to japan and my friend took me there!

 

So what do you think you have improved on in terms of day game since the bootcamp?

 

Day 2: night game (club)

 

We headed to Denny’s in shibuya for our 2nd club night briefing. We decided to go to club Camelot. I knew the bouncer and so got everyone into the club for 1,000 yen instead of 3,000. The girls were, as expected, hotter than roppongi girls and fewer spoke english(or refused to anyways). My first set was a 2-set standing at the bar wearing a golden skirt. I opened then called in my wing. actually turned out to be a kyaba jo(hostess girl). Super hot, couldnt speak English(refused to?) yellow colour contacts, long fake eyelashes, the works! Basically the kind of girl i waan close regularly. We isolated by turning her frame of reference. Everything was going better than i thought now looking back cuz she was smiling and just standing there while i KINOed. She wasnt dancing nor going anywhere. I could have pulled. Her friend broke away from my wing and took her. Just like that she was gone. I had to become a savage or the shibuya clubs would chew me up.

 

Thanks for the discount.

 

Why do you think the girl refused to speak English?

 

It sounds like you were doing a good job and needed your wing to communicate with you more effectively, so remember this in the future if you keep running into this prob.

 

After that, no set hooked. We got a girl to yell at us though so thats a victory. I was exhausted and so my openers just werent catching any attention. I even had gone girl tell me “fuck off”. I was losing both energy, motivation and hope. So was one of my wings.

 

We went down and up and around and around. One of the other BC students was having the time of his life and i saw him hook some sets. I was getting jealous haha. Eventually the night came to an end and we all gathered. I was a bit relieved but disappointed. Didnt have to approach anymore... but wanted to approach some more! I wanted to Stick around to see which girl was still there and try to pull.

 

So...what did you learn from the 2nd night of night game?

 

We all headed to a sizeria and i had hayashi rice. I noticed that some hot girls sitting beside us were with some savage guys.

 

We debriefed: some things i did well: 1) use the openers that I had to; 2) I went for sets that I really wanted 3) i tried to smile whenever i could,4) i didn’t resort to bad habits like dancing to cope with the situation 5) i tried to make my openers more and more exaggerated to catch attention

 

Great!

 

We all went home and were told to meetup tomorrow at 1pm again. We went to the royal host restaurant(western and japanese style mixed family restaurant) and focused on deepening our talks with the girl by telling her a “hero” story: a tale of our life that shows adversity and how we overcame it to be a better man. This would add more substance to our character once a girl is hooked. It also helped us all realize how interesting of an individual we are. I wont post my hero story here but if anyone would like to hear it, i can give a snippet.

 

We told our stories and one by one RPQ went through them logically and systemically. The point was to make them more concise, slice through the fluff and facts that didnt directly give any punch to the story. And lastly, to find the emotional peaks of the story which girls love to hear. Once we were all done listening to each other’s stories, we hit the streets of shibuya: the holy pantheon of pickup. The place where many brave come to do battle but a few survive and come out victorious.

 

Have you been using your story often since the bootcamp?

 

 

We started opening sets and realized that the girls were younger and the hotter ones were always in a rush. I managed to hook a few sets but realized that they were tooo young, as in 14-16. I ejeced those sets immediately.

 

I hooked a two set and called in a wing. Wasn’t really memorable. Tried to walk together by catching dynamic(moving) sets. It took a lot out of me but time was passing by quick by talking to girls and walking with them.

 

Why didn't you talk to more girls that you liked?

Typically the last day of the bootcamp you can approach independently, so that's why im asking.

 

It was dark now... i see a girl with a camera, tall black boots, jet black hair, pale makeup, red lipstick. Looking absolutely harajuku famous. I went for it; opened and talked. Asked ger where he is from: osaka! We talked and she finally stopped. We exchanged lines then i ejected. As usual, i came back with a smile which was quickly wiped away by My bootcamp instructors yelling “nice, but did why didnt you try to bounce her to a cafe!” I didnt figure out her logistics!

 

Sounds like you quite liked the girl, did you follow up with her?

 

Again i'm a little confused why us giving you feedback makes you unhappy?

Typically we aren't ever really angry or confrontational, just direct.

 

After that set i dont remember anything hooking and so we finally went inside the starbucks/tsutaya in front of the famous scramble crossing.

 

We debriefed and talked about what we did well. I don’t remember as much i approached sets harder without hesitating as much. While we were sitting i met eyes with a girl and winked and smiled . She was sitting with her friend and giggling and niw they were both talking ans giggling. It was harder to concentrate while RPQ and the other instructors such as Kane Vast and McConnell were talking. The girls kept looking at me. They left. Another pair of girls came and i locked eyes with one of them too. As they were leaving i looked at them and motioned them to come over. One of them hurriedly came over. I didnt know what i was going ti say so i told them that i was hear with my friends. And i cant remember.

 

Our talking was interrupting you some how?

You mean the girls were watching us because of that? or what?

 

 

 

The bootcamp ended with everyone giving each other feedback and concluding on a high note that this BC is only the beginning; this is the focal point from where we start our journey. Now, we were all brothers. My BC brothers and I went through a whole tiring weekend.

 

Game on

 

I've messaged you a few times to get you to write your BC field report up, and it's not for my benefit, but actually for yours.

 

The forum has lots of great tried and tested content that you can use to up your game, start by checking that link I sent that's titled 'so you've just finished your bootcamp.....'

 

I highly suggest you really prioritise your self improvement and learning as much as possible so that this time in 2019 you can look back and be happier and more successful.

 

Kane

[Bootcamp October 2017 in Shanghai]

Day 1 Nightgame

 

After getting to know each other, Kane decided to take me a popular nightclub in Shanghai (Liberion or sth.) . After we entered, I quickly noticed why the club is that popular: Tons of pretty and well-dressed Chinese Girls and a good amount of better-looking foreign girls also. What I noticed on the other hand was that there were also plenty of foreign guys, also handsome ones…probably more than in hole Jinan(that is where I live). “More competition” is what I thought.

 

Kane made me approach a set on the fairly quickly. Two girls, both cute, one a little cuter(HB8). I was surprised how well it went. Reactions were quite good. Opened with the “Can you speak Chinese?” Opener, which is quite hilarious IMO. Used that one the whole night. After the approach I quickly went for KINO because Kane told me so. I was also surprised how much KINO I was somehow “allowed” to do. Girls don’t really seem to mind getting touched. Mind-Blown!!!

 

The club is called Le Baron, i've taken everyone whose done a BC there since, all love it.

 

It went well because you did well.

 

Girls LIKE being touched, especially by well dressed German Dudes who are into FA. lol.

 

 

Second set were 2 HB7s also at the bar. Brought Kane in set to isolate the other girl. My girl was super receptive to the KINO I did. She really liked everything I did and said. One obstacle was a guy constantly trying to talk to her and constantly buying her drinks. I thought he was just some random dude trying to steal the girl. I was constantly ignoring him and did not bought into his frame. Later on she told me he was her working colleague. She did not told me when I asked who she is here with. I should have made sure she is really only here with that one female friend. After about half an hour that whole group went to another club. Kane and me stayed.

 

Lol it's kinda funny that you didn't pay him any heed but it still worked out, that means you had gooooood levels of attraction from her.

 

Third set went really good from the start to the beginning. Girl was into me. Kane entertained the ugly one and I had an fairly easy one with her.

 

Fourth set was quite scary. Really hot girls on a table (solid HB8s). I approached one and was talking to her but was not very consistent with my KINO. Also a group of people came along and separated us while the conversation. After that I lost my frame and got blown out. Inconsistent KINO and asking Kane too many questions in between the set did not help.

 

Fifth set was quite boring. She was not very talkative(HB6) also being near the loudpeakers did not help with the communication. Went outta set after ten minutes.

 

I always get stuck with the ugly one when winging for students :< #InstructorProblems

 

Yeah the questions break the pace of the set.

Kino kino kino.

 

Sixth set was a girl(HB7) by herself that was by herself. Danced a little right away. After about ten minutes I tried to pull her. Said we are going to eat something, at the exit she told me she was not hungry and has to wait for her friends.

 

After that I got back in set with the third girl. Got a make out and tried to pull her too, but she also wanted to stay with her friends.

Had only one blowout over the whole night. Crazy hot girl surrounded by some guys and her friends. Fair enough!

 

I was overall amazed by the amount of girls that liked me and were attracted to me. Really gorgeous women liked me and I was able to amuse them and having a great time with them.

 

I think you'll rarely get blown out if you just run your game consistently and are out with people who make you feel good about game.

 

 

 

Day 2 Daygame

 

Could barely sleep that night. Had cold sweat all night, had to change my pyijama several times. Really felt my brain rewiring.

Me and Kane met the next day at 2pm. After my first meal of the day we went to a University for the first Daygame Session. I really struggle with Daygame, I never did it by myself before. Kane approached the first set. And I did the same after that, approached several sets. Was really scary shit , even though the girls were not as hot as the night before. I tried to implement Kane’s procedure for Daygame:

 

You did a good job on powering through day game, i'm proud of you.

 

One issue in particular you have with Day game is that you're focused on how it's going to affect you or reflect on you, try instead just giving yourself the goal of trying to make others happy when you approach them, i.e try to get nothing from them other than making them smile.

 

You think too seriously of things that should be merely light hearted fun.

 

 

“Think lightly of yourself and deeply of the world”

Miyamoto Musashi

 

 

 

Open- Where is a coffe nearby?

BT Spike- A Joke like “Can you speak Chinese? You don’t look Chinese!”

HQ- What she is up to today…

Q- Compliment, I have to find out what I like about her and emphasize on telling her

PIE- Screening for relevant info, if I remember correctly…

Seed- Get a cool idea for a date in her head (cat coffee??)

TB- She has to know when you will meet her again and where

 

After several sets we went to the mall, while I was already burned out. I approached one set at the mall which did not went to well. Kane let me approach one or two more but it did not lead to anything. I was just really, really tired. After that we debriefed before I went back to the hotel for two hours of sleep that I really needed.

 

You find day game hard, sure, everyone has to start somewhere, so start where you can and build from there.

 

Day 2 Nightgame

 

Kane picked me up at 11:30pm. We went to a place called Zapata, loaded with foreigners. There is nothing comparable back in Jinan. In that place I met the others who took the bootcamp before me. Super interesting to meet you guys, a somehow surreal experience. I was super stifled and nervous, I am normally cooler than I was back then… I really felt the last 24 hours exhausting me.

 

We went into the club area of that Zapata place. Kane let me approach the first cute girl we spotted(HB6-7). She responded like we would already know each other and wanted to dance immediately. She was obviously pretty drunk. We danced liked forever because she wanted to. Kane always wanted me to speak to her, she had no interest whatsoever in a conversation. She just wanted to dance like a maniac and she did. I got pretty bored of that whole thing after a while and I suggested that we might wanna go and drink something. She noticed that she was very thirsty and we had a water at a table outside. I talked to her, checked logistics and the overall situation. Tried to pull but couldn’t leave her sister that she was there with. Got her Wechat later on and left with the other guys to another club which was unfortunately closed because of the 19th Chinese Congress of the Communist Party.

 

Yeah this night was a bit meh compared to the first.

 

I approached some sets in front of the club but most people were leaving. Kane wanted me to approach a group of crazy hot girls but couldn’t do it. He did it and the result was that that the hottest girl was GBC(German Born Chinese), so I was able to speak German to her which was quite fun. Crazy hot girl(rock solid HB9) . Tried to get her Wechat but the QR-Scanner somehow didn’t work, they left the set then. Kane wanted me to reapproach to get her contact, there was another guy in set so I hesitated, but in the end just did. That guy left the set when he saw me, maybe somehow thought those were “my” girls. Got her Wechat after that they went off in a taxi. Kane and me also took one home since all clubs were closed.

 

I learned a lot from that I night even though I am not able to execute with a those really hot girls right now. I also learned a lot about how other guys react to your frame when you with a girl. At night game it is a lot of frame battling. Sometimes even with your girl if she is drunk and just wants to dance. But usually with other that guys that are also talking to the girls. It went quite well for me that night but other guys can be a huge pain. Especially when they are drunk and semi-aggressive. Happy haven’t had to deal with that this night.

 

I still remember this German speaking Chinese girl, she was super super good.

Have you been hitting her up at all?

 

 

Day 3 Daygame

 

I was just tired that day. Super stifled and anxious due to the lack of sleep and recovery. Sleep was not really possible since my brain was rewiring and having the strangest thoughts all night. Kane and me met at 2pm. I couldn’t even ask for directions that’s how nervous I was. Took me forever to approach my first set asking for Starbucks.

 

After a few warm-up sets I high-fived a girl (HB6,5) on the street. I got in that set with Kane. That girl was travelling by herself and had some time, so I went on a coffee date with her. Was nice but the conversation was too serious to establish any kind of KINO. Girl was attracted, normal coffee date I would say.

 

After that date Kane and me were seeing a really hot girl(HB8) lost and asking a security guard for directions. It took me like five minutes to go up to that girl and approach her. As I did it I noticed from second one that she actually liked me, I really would not have thought that. She was always standing super close to me as I was talking. She wanted to go out with me that evening and was wondering as I told her that I will go back to Jinan in one hour. This was one of my favorite sets ever. Overcame my fear and it went far better than expected

.

 

The bootcamp is an extremely intense experience for most people because they are having a rush of experiences they normally wouldn't have, so i'm not surprised you found it mentally taxing.

 

Essentially your ego is taking more of a beating than it's used to and you're dealing with a lot more pressure than you're used ot.

 

Lol girls liking you, no shock there, I think most girls will be very happy to have you approach them regardless of what you say.

 

After that I had to leave Shanghai at 7pm since that was the last train going to Jinan.

 

This was after all an amazing experience for me. I learned tons of new stuff. Especially how KINO works and that this is actually doable. I wanna thank Kain for that and I hope that I can improve further.

 

One concern I have is that I live in Jinan right now. Jinan is way worse for game than Shanghai. They are no good places to go for game. Only Chinese clubs where all girls are on tables and smaller places with mainly African students. Nearly no sets of just two or three girls, nearly always big groups on tables and you see the people at the same places again and again. Also daygame is not the same. I fortunenatly live near a place where all the girls go to buy their fake LVs and Guccis, get their nails, make up and extensions done. So, there is a lot of potential. Other than that Jinan isn’t that great, mainly because all pretty girls are with dudes here!!! All you see is young couples. This place is way more family-oriented and traditional, so I have to move to a bigger place next year for sure!

 

I'm glad to help dude, I just want you to be happy and get the necessarily life experience so you can live the life you really want.

 

I think you're currently on track to move to either Taipei or Chengdu, which will be great!

Looking forward to that and the improvements it brings you.

 

My final take on this: I think a big part of getting really good at this is how much emotional drama you can take. My brain gives me a lot of this with every approach. There is something inside me that doesn’t wanna change. Pick Up is punching through that wall, over and over again.

 

I gave up on Pick Up after my first Bootcamp with another company back in Germany. I gave it another try here in China and Kane helped me to get back into this. I was approaching everyday since my bootcamp. I am a fairly busy guy and I have to manage my time more carefully now that I also want to learn this. I hope it pays off and I will grow with my results.

 

It’s my pleasure being a part of this.

 

I'm going to leave you with another Miyamoto Musashi quote.

 

[Tokyo Bootcamp March 9th 2018]

Friday/Night game 1

 

After all the introductions, I was excited to get into learning the science of game. I was a bit surprised to realize that there really is a science to the whole thing.

 

It never occurred to me that the best way to improve is to stay consistent with the form and guidelines that were given to us. That way it will be easier to pinpoint where things go wrong and what to improve. There was a lot of information during the dinner before clubbing, and I ended up forgetting that we would go out into the field and practice what everyone shared with us. I was a little nervous at first because while I have experience with cold approaching, I've never done it inside any clubs.

 

Yeaaaaaaah!

Here. We. Go!

 

It was super fun teaching you and the other 3 guys, especially since you were all so different.

 

I'm curious, why hadnt you gone approaching in clubs before?

 

 

 

As soon as we walked into the club I got extremely nervous because I had no idea what I would even say or how I would say it. I began to feel like a complete noob. I had to wing for my very first set. I noticed the energy my fellow bootcamp student opened the set with allowed for a fun interaction between them immediately. I couldn’t fuck this up by going in there sounding all depressed. So the next best thing was to try to one-up him on the energy. Waiting for him to wave me over, I remembered reading a psychology book that talked about people reciprocating the emotions you show to them. This is to say that if you are awkward then the girls will feel awkward, but if you are energetic and happy then the girls will reciprocate that feeling and it will be easier to follow the flowchart given to us. So when he waved me over, I brought up a fake energetic and happy feeling within me to hide the nervousness. This helped tremendously because it not only grabbed the girl's attention, it allowed the conversation to flow smoothly and into whatever direction I wanted to take it for qualification. Talking to these two girls with a lot of energy set tone for the rest of the night, and I quickly conquered my nervousness and focus on improving the important things with my game.

 

It's pretty funny how competition inspires you, if it works, it works.

The 'faking energy' thing is fine to do, training wheels and all that, over time though you want to cause good emotions in the girl by BT spiking her i.e YOU saying things YOU think are funny that she likely will too.

 

The first night was a good one for me because it helped me realize where I was going wrong with with my game. My biggest weakness was Kino. Throughout all the sets in the first night, the common factor was me not putting my hand on the girl. It was such a problem that throughout sets I would hear the guys yelling, "Kino! Touch the girl! Touch the girl!". They would even come by and place my hand around the girl's waist. It would take my mind out of the set for a second because I couldn't believe it was happening. It also reminded me why I was here, and that I should be having fun while doing this or I won't be as successful as I want to be. I ended up having more fun as more sets went on. I got a bit too excited to wing for one set and stepped on some dude's sneakers which caused an altercation between me and his friends. Other than that it was an amazing first night!

 

Kino is everyone's biggest weakness.

In all my years I think i've only seen one or two people who already did enough kino or came close to 'enough'.

guys yelling 'kino, touch the girl touch the girl' was me. , so was the putting your hand around the girls waist.

 

 

Saturday/ Day game 1/ Night game 2

 

After a late night on Friday, I was ready to get out and do the same thing again Saturday, even though my body felt the complete opposite. During day game, I approached some girls and had interesting conversations, but I always lacked on logistics and qualifying as soon as possible. This made me realize why acknowledging there is really a science to this thing and following the flowchart is extremely important. It gets most of the silly bad habits out of the way immediately so I can stop beating around the bush like a pussy and actually get to the pussy lol. One girl I opened was alone and waiting for someone, so I opened. We shared information about enjoying books and running, but when she had to get going to meet her friend I did not go in for the line close. I could have easily seeding something about books or a beautiful running route but I was more into the conversation and forgot that I should be following the flowchart to get the most out of my interactions. Luckily I took that and improved upon it for my next set which was in a Starbucks(which I really like for game btw). This girl like the same things as the last so it made my job easier in seeding and line closing. After talking for about 30 minutes she had to go and so we set up a day 2 in 2 weeks from now. Unfortunately, I am not too keen on meeting again because while she looked nice in person, she looked like a creature in her line profile so I'ma bit conflicted lol.

 

Yep, the structure is designed the way it is for good reasons, it's originally based on mystery method, which is the GENESIS of all pick up.

 

Starbucks is fantastic, if you keep practicing you can do also stuff like run non verbal game through windows and number close girls without even having to actually speak to them , it's pretty memorable.

 

Good job on approaching.

 

The night game is where things got really interesting. While I struck out hard at the club we went to, I had the time of my life in there. Thanks again to another fellow bootcamp student and his great social skills for getting us in on a discount! I absolutely loved the girls in here and because of that, opened sets with way too much energy at times. There was one specific set winging for another student where I couldn't really keep the girl's attention and lost her to another guy. My position wasn't favorable to begin with as I came in when they were at the bar with their backs turned. The guy was next to them waiting for his drink as well. I tried to BT spike my girl but she didn't seem to be having it and then the random guy just jumped into the conversation and took it over. This fueled my competitive nature to improve more so that I could become a beast and pull the girl back when something like that happens.

 

Getting out gamed by other guys can happen, always remember it and do better next time.

 

Holding attention usually comes down to Kino and BT Spikes.

 

 

Unfortunately, I think it was the next set I opened with way too much fire to improve that I ended up startling the girls. I knew I fucked up the moment I opened. I wanted to facepalm and walk away, but I still tried to continue the set anyway. It didn't work but it was worth it to see if I could save myself from an embarrassing mishap like that.

 

Embarrassments happen, so long as you've improving it's fine, RPQ has plenty of embarrassing stories about me and my silliness that he can share with you .

 

 

Sunday/ Day game 2

 

The club on Saturday really got my adrenaline pumping so I had trouble sleeping for Sunday. It was so bad that I just wanted to keep running sets throughout the morning until the final meet.

 

The final day for me wasn't much of a success as I had trouble staying interested in the girls in each set. I wasn't too attracted but I just tried to channel that into improvement so that I could be a better wing or be a polarizing person even when I'm not feeling it that day.

The one girl I was interested in and approached ended up being a pretty good set. She was not interested at all at first but as I kept walking and talking, she became a bit more interested. This helped me realize that when gaming, I can't let what the girl says or does affect my mentality. If I do, then I pretty much lose the set. I found if I BT spike and get her laughing, then that means I'm doing well enough to keep her interested. I found it is important to ignore all the negative things that I tell myself about what the girl is feeling. If the set is out of my control then I have no chance to begin with, but if we're talking then there's still a chance, however slim it may be. There are so many variables that are out of my control. It is useless to get hung up on them if I get blown out.

 

Essentially you've gotta be the one leading the interaction, the leader in a group doesn't look to how other people are emotionally reacting in a single moment to make decisions, he decides where he wants the group to go and takes them there while making adjustments on the way to help things work best for all.

 

That negative voice in your head that tells you stuff is an enemy that needs to be overcome.

 

I'm gonna quote a 16th century Ronin, as I think his words are particularly accurate here:

 

"Determine that today you will overcome your self of the day before, tomorrow you will win over those of lesser skill, and later you will win over those of greater skill.

Miyamoto Musashi"

 

Although he may be referring to other people, I think you can also relate this to yourself, as the point is accurate.

 

 

 

After the bootcamp, I kept gaming even when hanging out with friends. Gaming all these nice girls during my everyday life caused my friends say to me that I’m fearless. I feel the same after the bootcamp as I did before, so I just tell them that I’m me and that anyone can do it. The only difference is that this bootcamp has given me a foundation with a very useful skillset that which I can improve on for the rest of my life. Before this bootcamp I would be fine with talking to one girl Now, if I’m talking to one girl, I want to have 2 or 3 in line to talk to next. It almost feels like I’m playing Pokemon and trying to catch them all

 

This was one of the most memorable experiences of my life. I really appreciate everyone involved in the bootcamp weekend! This helped me come out of my shell and practice my social skills a lot more. . I am absolutely grateful and look forward to studying and practicing more!

 

Theres a book that's titled 'Feel the fear and do it anyway'

You don't need to read the book, the title is the whole point.

You've understood that lesson.

 

Another important one that you've got is that this is a TOOL you can use to improve your life in multiple areas.

 

I'm really happy to hear that the bootcamp had such an affect on you, as it did on me.

 

It was truly life changing and I hope you get as much from it as you can.

 

Anything you need, just hit me up.

[Shanghai Bootcamp or Bust]

Background: After toying with game for a year and a half via the influence of my PUA best friend who lives in LA, and reading The Game and Day Bang, I decided that it was time to get into the community in Asia. I sought out Mr. Vast via a friend who had moved to Mexico and mentioned Kane on my last trip there in Mexico City. I had started the 30 day challenge from "Rules of the Game" and was getting up a bit of momentum but I needed more, faster. Law of attraction right here; send the vibes into the universe and the universe throws it back to you what you need!

 

I thought I had already responded to this :S

 

Lol yeah it was super funny how you found out about me.

 

Other friends had said to me "dude, why are you doing game, you don't need it. You are already good with girls" and shit like that, but I had dragged my feet long enough. I was not approaching or attracting my ideal type and had just broken up with my girlfriend of 8 years. Thinking of going into bootcamp with 100+ bangs under my belt, and significant negative feedback from AFC friends about game, I had all but convinced myself I didn't need it until this one day that spurred me into action. I was standing in line at a coffee shop, and my ideal type walked in behind me and lined up.....she made eye contact....I smiled and.......nothing......literally nothing......i froze....... all i needed to do was open my damn mouth, and yet I couldn't even think of what to say. I stood there frozen in fear of rejection.....and just let that beautiful creation walk out of there, unscathed. Fuck.

 

Game isn't just about 'getting girls' it's about improving how good you are at getting girls and your relationships with them, your social skills, your ability to influence people (because that's what we're really doing here).

 

A lot of guys wanna get good at Game for the sake of Game, a lot more just wanna bang girls they don't really like, you're obviously the former rather than the latter.

 

That feeling of not being able to pull the trigger and not knowing what to say really sucks, it's fantastic you took action to get past that i.e the bootcamp and all the effort you put in during the bootcamp.

 

In that moment of clarity, like getting bad results on an STD test (i'm guessing). I said to myself "Dude, get in there, get the structure and control your future with women or you're gonna keep getting the same shit".

 

It takes some people YEARS to realize this, i literally have had people i've known for years who should have done bootcamps years before finally decide to and then go 'oh i wish i did that years ago'.

 

 

Day 1 - Friday Night / Night Game

Lots of learning, and got to open one girl already who was my ideal type. Damn this is awesome. Kane immediately picked up on my fear about too much Kino and some slightly awkward "less than alpha" body language I had going on. He said to me "No more baby tiger"

 

 

Yeah!!!!! No. More. Baby. Tiger.

 

That girl in the black dress with the german broski's was so good .

 

I remember so clearly on one set that went really well where I had opened the set, isolated then bounced the target while my wing occupied the friends and I stayed in the set for 20-30 minutes. I had strong kino going on, qualification etc. and the girl was just dying to continue the conversation or for me to ask for her number at least, and Kane said "its time to go". Hahah shit that felt crazy. I'm walking away from a girl who wants to bang. She just stared at me blankly like "god i want to see you again, ask for my number damn it!" But, my instructions were clear, no numbers on first night! so I moved on. This girl was probably a 7/10 and normally I would have tried to take that as far as I could go, try to bang, and been really happy with myself. That WAS my status quo, settling for girls who make themselves available, and not the ones that I REALLY WANT.

 

Yeah mad respect for sticking to the program.

 

Another girl that Kane opened on the street outside the club was an awesome learning experience for me. He picked her up right in front of the dude she was with, kino'd her, used "daddy likes" sexualization, seeded with restaurants and got a date with her. Early in the set, Kane also showed me exactly how to deal with the dude in this case, by giving him lots of compliments (face) and essentially neutralizing him. He literally stole the girl from this guy, and the guy couldn't do anything about it.

 

When we're in Korea, mention the 'daddy likes' thing to James and watch how excited he gets .

 

 

 

Some key takeaways from the night: Kino kino and more kino. Body language, neutralize the obstacles. And.....especially girls out at night want to be approached, as long as its the right way!

 

Great.

 

Day 2 - Day Game

This was probably the most fun I had during the bootcamp. We were in PPLs square and damn the freaks were out! With the cosplay store in the underground area, the hello kitties and kimono kids were everywhere, and with the other nutcases walking around, it was pure entertainment! ( regardless of the fact we were doing game) There was this one psycho in a spiderman outfit on roller skates, shooting imaginary spider webs at random passersby. It reminded me of that Dave Chappelle episode where the homeless guy takes a bus full of people hostage by whipping his dick out and threatening to ejaculate on the civilian passengers, hahah.

 

So in this session I used mostly my "Pet shop" opener from Day Bang, and got my first couple successful time-bridges. This is where I learned how to begin seeding properly and really seeing how far you can take the first interaction, and all from complete cold opens on the street in broad daylight! It would get better......but harder

 

Yeah that was a lot of weirdo's during your bootcamp, i'm not sure why lol.

 

What other openers have you been using since then?

 

 

Night Game - Le Baron

This.....was pretty terrifying. I had no idea how to open without TALKING. Kane showed me some non-verbal openers, and really pushed me hard. Shockingly (or not), I opened a girl without saying a word by using "Hand of God" opener. Number close, time bridge, done. Amazing. Kane also had me practice more strong kino, sexualization with "strawberry fields" and got my first kiss close. During the night I had a "run-in" with the ex's friends and a girl I had a threesome with previously where she came in screaming and jumping all over me, spilling drinks on Kane. Half proud and half embarrassed, I couldn't help but think "God these are the types of chicks I used to roll with". This really shook me. Worlds colliding...... I was completely out of my comfort zone the whole night. Since I quit drinking a year and a half ago, I had basically not stepped into a night club unless it was with a bunch of friends and no intention on meeting anyone new. By this point I had number closed about 15 times and had two or three dates lined up so the progress was clear....this shit works. Kane assured me that the discomfort would pass the more I practiced.....so I kept pushing on.

 

The Hand Of God is by far my favourite Pick Up Tech, it's gotten me into so many awesome situations.

 

I've experienced a lot of crazy shit during bootcamps, having drinks spilled on me is fine , ask RPQ about the fat old woman in Beijing who wouldn't let me go, you'll get a good story and a laugh.

 

How are you AA (approach anxiety levels) now?

 

Have you gone clubbing since then?

 

Day 3 - Day Game

This was the toughest day in terms of logistics as we were approaching girls walking through XTD, I had a really hard time getting started that day as I was still shattered from the night before and had ended the night feeling pretty uncomfortable. Kane was friendly but put the pressure on to finish strong. I dragged my feet hard through the first few sets and he really caught me off guard when he said "I'm here to watch you open, so lets stop walking so much and go open." Hahah. Smack. Whenever I let a girl out of a set without closing he would say "If the girl had your wallet, would you let her walk away like that?" At one point he actually took my wallet and walked away, lol. Point taken.

This session I used my first direct opener without any conversation first. He basically had me go up to two girls at a restaurant and say "Hey my friend is waiting for me, but I would kick myself if I didn't ask for your number." The girl just smiled and silently applauded my directness and gave me her number. WTF, insanity. So many realizations about what is possible during this bootcamp. Later on I was onto to fulfilling my mission of using my recently crafted "Hero story", which I delivered during a set which I had bounced successfully. So interesting what it does psychologically to the target and to watch her body language and expressions change as the story unfolds. I later seeded and successfully time-bridged in the set.

 

Yeah, essentially anything you want to be possible is possible, you just have to be the force of create and guide god's hand to unzip those tight jeans and rip off those lacy panties.

 

You did a great job in both that high pressure approach and then while doing the story telling as well.

 

Day three ended with an awesome sum up at El Luchador and rolled straight into a F close with a girl that I chatted up who had been on my WeChat but I had not been doing the right things to get out and to bang. I loved all the anecdotal stories Kane drip feeds in throughout the bootcamp, where you really get a good idea of what goes on with the guys in the community before transitioning out of the bootcamp. The structure was really good (what I had needed) and the experience one to remember, for sure. I left with the feeling that "This is the beginning of something amazing, a new journey".

 

The constant learning and feedback in the community, and now doing Saturday Sarge and meeting with other PUAs regularly in the past few weeks has been awesome.

 

Total sum up from Bootcamp: 22 numbers and 5 time-bridges. A couple of the girls i've gone on first dates with already and am working with the guys now daily in the WeChat groups to get these across the line......Abyss Game here I come!!

 

Reading your report has been a great pleasure, as was teaching you.

 

I'm happy to see the progress you've been making since then.

 

I've gotten Jackson to start recording his set (he should post it in a day or two) metrics (opens and a basic result) and you may be interested in the same thing as you're big on numbers and data.

 

Congrats on the bootcamp and thanks for all your hard work.

 

Dive into reading the suggested books ASAP and you will see even more improvement.

[PickUpAsia Weekly Q&A List]

Nov 22nd 2017

[Guangzhou Bootcamp with Kane Vast]

 

So lucky me, but I wake up for the bootcamp with a fever. Luckily, my work lets me off two hours early so I can relax.

I met Kane in a Turkish restaurant and we talk and get to know each other an hour before we get into to talking pickup theory. Keep in mind, I’m taking quite a few antibiotics and my body is sweating like crazy from the high fever and general being awake. We do around 4 hours of theory over Turkish food. I’m taking notes best I can without falling asleep. Seriously, my body is telling me to go home but I am not about to waste this opportunity to learn from the best.

 

We finish up eating and we go to to Revolution, a local shots bar and I’m literally shitting myself. I don’t want to approach anyone and thank my lucky stars when Kane agrees that this venue isn’t right for what we want to do. We then head to party pier, Suns (one of the most popular nightclub in GZ). Again, I’m shitting myself with the approach, I don’t really want to do it and I think my excuse is pretty legit in that I feel like I’m dying.

 

Yeah that first night was tough, you did well by pushing through.

 

The first approach happens kind of by proxy. The girls come to us and start asking where the party is. I notice that Kane can ‘turn it on’ instantly. He went from looking around trying to find ways to motivate me and girls to approach to chatting these ladies up. I’m really in my head for this set (and quite literally for the rest of night). I try to chat to this lady. She’s wearing something that is showing off her mighty fine cleavage and I get to caught up trying to get a reaction from her with my BT spikes. She actually gets a bit offended and when I calibrate and being a bit more honest she kind of calls me out on it. The set is dying quickly and Kane bust a Marvin Gaye ‘Sexual healing’ joke which causes the girls too leave. That was easier than I thought and I could care less what the girls think of me.

 

These girls interacted with us for around 5 minutes or so, it wasn't an ideal situation, but they did have nice boobs.

 

The rest of the sets of the night go one of a couple of ways, either the girls hangs around for two seconds before ignoring me or they ignore me from the get go. My head isn’t in a great place at the moment and I really want to go home and seep and get better and start day game. Two sets go well. One set is a girl sitting down and I just chat and vibe with her going through the stack. I don’t really want to chat to her too long, so I get her number after to making very rough plans and leave the set. The next set that goes okay is a drunk pair of Pakistani girls. They’re sitting and I grab one of there shoes and run off with it. They think that’s funny and we are off to an okay start. I’m vibing quite well with this lady and her drunk/sad friend seems to not mind me either. However, I tell them I have to go because I want to sleep off my fever. I bounce form the set and tell Kane I need to sleep. He lets me off and we go home so I can rest.

 

The main lesson that should come from the night is that even at your worst, you can still get results.

 

A lot of people make excuses about how they can't do x thing because of x reason, so remembering this can be good for noticing when you're rationalizing to yourself about whats possible etc etc.

 

Next day, we met in elemental fresh to go over some more theory. I’m starting to get to know Kane a little more and I’m relating more to him and feeling more comfortable with him.

 

We start approaches and I’m impressed by how little you have to do to hook a girl. The first set we do is in front of this basketball thing and I start to chatting to this girl. I finally understand what first minute resistance is when you start talking to a girl. It will happen every single time you talk to a girl. In the beginning this girl was kind of nervous and kind of shy. I actually left the set once to go back to Kane because I thought it was over and he told me to go back into set and get her number because she was hooked. That’s when something clicked in my head. I was infront of all these people talking to this Chinese girl and she was giving me her number. I thought that was absolutely amazing. I couldn’t believe it because I thought she was really pretty and I didn’t think she was my type. She is a dancer as well. The next set of approaches while they weren’t all as smooth as you might have hoped for, I managed to figure out when to approach them (what angle and the timing) and my resistance started going away quicker and quicker. I relaxed around these ladies and I just kind of found out whether I would like them or not. Sometimes the set would last five minutes or less. Sometimes we would talk for (maximum) 15 minutes. I met some girls that I thought were really cute and a few of them were cool aswell. So, I learnt a lot about approaching that day. Dealing with approach anxiety and how to overcome it, also running structured game might be the best way to get the approach part down on Chinese girls.

 

Also knowing when to push more and how much 'playerness' u should or shouldn't show.

 

 

 

Night game, day 2

 

We met outside a 24/7 supermarket and chat some more game before heading to Catwalk a really big nightclub. It’s not really my kind of nightclub, too big and too many tables and a little unkind to foreigners. We start a conversation with a middle-aged money who I managed to get really far down the set with. I even sexualize the conversation a little and she is enjoying me but it seems she has a man here already. We kind of just use them to get into the club because we lose them instantly. I open the manager of the bar. We start a wechat conversation which is kind of fun. She has to go because she is busy. I open another set by the bar and I get my first legitimate rejection. These girls don’t want to talk and they just straight up don’t want to talk to me. Kane explains that if a girl isn’t even willing to talk how the hell are the two of you going to get along. I completely agree. These aren’t the kind of girls I want in my life. I actually open them outside later and they talk this time but they are still boring as fuck wanting to go home. It’s kind of good to know that I won’t get along with all girls, especially ones that are going to outright reject you from the get go. Back to the camp, me and Kane are approaching chicks near the bathroom because we can’t hear fuck all in the dance area. I open this one chick who doesn’t speak a word of English but she seems to be into my vibe. We hit it off knowing little words of the others language until a drunk Chinese dudes interrupts the set and imposes himself on the girl. He doesn’t hit her but he grabs her and shakes her. I don’t want anything to do with that, so I bail on the situation and start to chatting to other girls. I open this other girl and the girl who got a little roughed up sees me. I ask Kane about this and he says not to worry it’s a nightclub and everyone will forget tomorrow.

 

Is that girl you met on the couches with her employee still responding?

 

That Chinese dude was a fkn mess :<

 

A lot of guys will meet a girl they like in the club and then not want to keep approaching because they're afraid she will see and won't meet them again, although this can happen, it's silly to stop approaching for that reason and is very much a scarcity mindset, as you don't know if the girl will see you again and you likely don't wanna end up with a girl who is that insecure anyway.

 

He opens this tall blondish model looking chick. Very good looking and in clear abundance of everything she ever wants. He shows me later that this girl literally has everything she wants handed to hear on silver platter via a guy. Good to see evidence of this world existing because to me that it is completely alien. We get tired of the club and I want to eat an apple so we hang out in the club’s lobby. I chat to this one girl who seems cute but she speaks so little English that the convo is completely by wechat. I’m still kind of surprised by how much the girls try to talk to you when you start a conversation (as long as you maintain a positive vibe and act non-creepy and non-needy).

 

I’m still with a high-fever so I don’t immediately react to everything Kane suggest me to do. Also, girls in clubs will ‘reject’ you or leave a whole lot quicker because of all the stuff that is going on around them. We do a couple more approach. I got a few number from a few cute girls. The best sets were the first set because of how far I got into the stack I got and the one that got interrupted by the drunk idiot.

 

Showing you're interested in them and giving them ways to make the conversation with you easier really helps.

 

Last day of the bootcamp I met Kane and we go over the last parts of the stack, the hero story and the idea of the instant date. Sounds like good stuff to me. I get quite lucky today and the very first set I open runs almost perfectly, I run through the stack as smooth as a hot knife through butter, not really gtting stuck anywhere and keep talking when it dies down.

 

She seems into me, the only problem is when I suggest we go on an instant-date she calls my bluff on the opener as in you knew where starbucks was all along right? I kind of laugh it off but I think that might have caused irreparable damage to the set, I should have apologised and told I thought she was cute but I drew a blank at point. I know the set was done because I went through the entire stack (with the exception of sexualisation) and after I told the hero story and asked for her number she told me she would give it to me after my concert on Saturday (which was funny because it got cancelled). The rest of the sets seem to go smoother today and I’m much faster to jump into action, especially after Kane asks me the question ‘would you bang her?’ ‘Yes’ ‘Well…?’ Say no more, I chat with one other girl for thirty minutes, one with lots of make –up something I don’t usually go for because of this image in my head that we won’t get along but I definitely find these kind of women very attractive.

 

If you regularly get girls refusing to give you compliance (wechat, kino, date, sex) and then voicing some player objections then try to do less attraction and more qualification/comfort.

 

The way you understand yourself and the world better is by doing things you normally wouldn't, by at times being counter intuitive.

 

On the last day I’m learning tons of useful information, staying in set is important and just going through the set will do wonders for you. The idea of wings and using them properly can make or break a set because if I bring in a wing and I can’t isolate my girl properly then she will get ADHD and get distracted by my wing because of something new (girls lol). Let Chinese girls (and I suppose Asian girls) save face, let them feel comfortable with their English because a lot of them are super embarrassed to be talking to a foreigner. Another idea was try with all girls you would want to bang because you never know if it possible. On that day, I met a girl who was leaving to Hubei in 2 hours, a girl who lives in Shanghai and had come for the day and chicks that live in Donnguan. So yeah, the logistics aren’t ideal on those sets but hey do it for the reference experience and figure out what it is you want in a woman.

 

Logistics is 50% of the game.

 

 

We’re joined mid-bootcamp by one Kane’s student (whose name shall remain conceal because I can’t remember his forum name right now), he’s drove all the way from Donnguan to hang out. I mean, if that doesn’t confirm that Kane is legit I don’t know what will. I get a whole bunch of numbers and I manage to find out if these girls that I met are actually cool girls that I would want to met again.

Overall, the best day of the bootcamp might be the first night when I felt like I was dying the whole night. I didn’t think I had it in me to approach all these girls much less feeling like shit. It was quite eye-opening to find out that some girls will give you the time of day just if you rock up and others won’t and that it probably has nothing to do with you. I knew the theory behind all of this but getting the experience on this is invaluable

 

 

His forum name is 'MadeYouLook'.

 

 

5 Realizations throughout Bootcamp

 

-I am very worthy of talking to girls that I think are very attractive

 

The more you do Game, the more your standards will develop and surprised you will be, I have banged girls the pre Bootcamp Kane wouldn't have even talked to, it was surprising.

 

- I can get along with ladies that I original thought were not my type

 

Ya, again, try new things, have new experiences.

 

-I should open any girl I want to bang because you never know what the circumstance is

 

Get really good at tricking yourself into thinking the circumstances are great or beneficial for you, as focusing on why something CANT happen, will just make sure it can't happen.

 

-The bar for a good interaction is a lot lower thank I think

-rejection literally last about 5 seconds and is a lot harder than you think

-Once I start gaining a bit of momentum, opening becomes really easy

 

For sure.

 

Make sure you keep it up.

 

 

5 things to work on after bootcamp

 

-being physical with the girl. I am allowed to that as long as I calibrate and see if she is comfortable

-being sexual with ladies, this makes a massive difference in your results (talk about sex)

-I need to get rid of my fear of opening by consistently opening girls

-I need to get rid of the notion that 7/8/9 and 10s are these big scary monsters that should be treated as if they were that

-reject is the least important thing in the world. It is more important to try than to do nothing

 

All of these are great.

 

You definitely gotta keep going!

[She was so sweet I thought she was working]

Hopefully, I will have a more positive report soon. But I thought this was important to post.

 

I went to a bar in Beijing called the Swing. Often there are cute girls there who are interested in foreigners. Most of the time it is easier at this bar.

Of course, it doesn't attract the young 20+ hotties but often girls in there 30's who are cute.

 

I walked in and sat at the bar. I didn't even notice the girl next to me on the left who was facing away from me. Suddeny she turned towards me.

 

"Cheers!" she said I responded. I noticed she was very good at English right away. She was very sweet and cute. I praised her on her English ability and "high five"d her. I asked her where she was from because she had a unique accent. I found out she is from Inner Mongolia.

 

If you're being opened by girls, you're definitely waiting too long, as they're gonna be standing around waiting for u to open, you did a decent follow on, you should be more proactive though.

 

You can always just open girls by telling them they look like they're from x country, they will correct you or say 'how did you know'

 

 

Maybe they Inner Mongolian girls are a little sweeter and more approachable, as I only met one other girl from Inner Mongolia who was also sweet. But this girl was even sweeter. She started asking me questions about why I was in Beijing. I told her I was a professor here and she praised me "Cool!" she said. "Your English is pretty good too!" she said. I laughed and touched her arm and held on for a few seconds. She did not move.

 

At about this time I became suspicious. I remember at my boot camp that there was this girl who was very sweet to me and who also had approached me. Kane pointed out that she was probably working. He said that very few girls will approach first. He said "Go ahead and ask her!" I did ask her and found out she was indeed working.

 

Yeah, so again this is why you opening is better, most working girls will make it pretty clear from the get go, so you'll save time, in this case it's really hard to know.

So, since this girl at The Swing said Cheers first and was so sweet, I started to think she was working. I didn't want to ask her because I still wasn't sure and that certainly would ruin any chances. So I ruined any chances anyway by pulling back. I turned toward the bar and was just somewhat distant. Then I wondered again and reengaged but he was not engaging. I was there about 10 minutes before I reengaged. Then shortly after I attempted to reengaged, she got up. She said god-bye to me and she and here friend walked out. I watched another guy walk outside and Engage with her and get her number. When he came back I listened to him tell his buddy about getting her number. I am 95% sure that she wasn't working. Maybe I need another strategy to check out if someone is working without asking and without guessing and pulling back.

 

She was one of my best first 5 minutes of interaction.

 

It's very likely she wasn't a working girl, as a working girl would have follow up with that dude when he approached her and tried to make some money.

 

You did well but in the end were afraid to take the risk, which lead to you getting no tangible result, beyond the useful reference experience (which is good though).

 

I think you just need to run game on the girls, ask what their job is, who they're with at the bar.

 

Asking those two questions usually will figure it out as working girls will usually answer something weird about being at work now, who they're with - working girls are generally with other working girls, who give people wayyyyyyy more attention and compliance than you would normally expect.

 

Another option is trying to move the girl to another venue - working girls are there to get ur money, so if ur trying to bounce them to other places, they will usually start asking you about money.

 

Again, pls add the

 

Things I did well

 

Things I will do better

 

Realizations

 

 

Good job on writing these field reports - it's fantastic as I can give you more and more detailed feedback, the more detail you can provide the better.

 

Keep up the good work!

[She said good-bye really fast and was gone!]

I wanted to post this in case anyone else is having a nice conversation and then suddenly she says...."Oh this is my stop, Bye!"

 

I was on the bus. This girl was eating a Chinese fast food sandwich (I later found out its called Jianbinggouzi). I opened with "Oh, I love those" pointing at the sandwich!

She answered "Oh, you like Chinese food!"

"I love it!"

"Wow really" she said. "what else do you like" She said

"I love hotpot" ( i said this as I stared in her eyes)

"Wow I love it too!" (she held the gaze for a bit)

 

You used a good situational opener.

 

Whenever you're on public transport - ask as early as possible which stop she's getting off at, tell her which one ur getting off at.

 

We talked for a few (5) minutes (we only went 3 stops at this point but we were in heave traffic. about food. I had already noticed her English was really good but I thought I would save it till the conversation went flat. The talk about food was great and had many BT spikes. high fives, fist bumps.

 

Finally I said "wow your English is so good!"

"Really, ...I think I still need to improve" ( I have only met one Chinese girl who ever said her English was good)

"You must have studied abroad"

"Yes I studied in England"

"Oh cool my mother is from England"

"Oh really" she said (she wasn't too impressed with that comment, I am wondering how I could use that my mom is from England in a similar case).

"How long did you study there I really love England...do you miss it?" (I worked to get her back into the conversation)

"Yes I really miss it"

"Yes it is an amazing place "

"I love the park by London Bridge!"

"Me too!!" (she reengaged ) We talked for 5 minuted about England. (We had only gone one more stop....2 lights plus traffic so it was slow.)

She did not seem concerned where we were so I didn't rush. I was just about to get out my phone and the bus door opened and she said "oh this is my stop....really nice to meet you (as the door closed)" She turned back and looked at me as the bus left.

 

You did well in picking up with the English topic, you could have expanded on it like which university she studied at there, where else she travelled there, what did she like/dislike about it compared to China.

 

You could have also used the discussion about foreign countries to bring up America and tell her some stuff about yourself.

 

This was one of my most intimate first 10 minute talks, i was kicking myself.

Lesson: I must check early when she gets off the bus or subway.

Also in the future I made this new rule. If its that good I will get off at her stop too! (unless I am late for work...in that case I have already asked her where she is going and got her we chat).

I did this once in the subway. I had already told this girl my stop and had already got her we chat. When my stop came she said "oh you have to go" I said "Oh no I can get off at your stop" (this made it obvious that I liked her. But luckily she liked me.) I don't remember the details of this one or I would post it. But I have a date with her coming up!

 

Yup - always ask it within the first 30 seconds.

 

I wouldnt suggest telling girls you're get off at her stop as it will come across as pretty needy if you're following her to her stop and missing your own, generally i would just get off at my stop or lie and say that mine is one stop past hers.

 

You should be adding:

 

What I did well

 

What i will do better

 

Realizations

[Everything 4 us's Beijing Bootcamp Fr( April 2016)]

And if you don't know now you know

 

Hello gents and connoisseurs of all things made of sweet nectar. Last year I took a boot camp with Kane Vast aka Mr, Bang, Aka bang or ball Aka of all things banging.

 

Actually you did private training, the format of which is different from the bootcamp, your enthusiasm is appreciated though.

 

Plan B

 

I went on youtube to search for an instructor based in China, and could only find videos of a slick bald headed dude dressed up on in suits (Yes, in suits) crushing it, so I made a notepad in my computer and wrote down

"Kane Vast"

 

haha, yeah, I remember our first time meeting up and discussing this.

 

"It feels like the first time, it feels like the very first time"

 

I first met Kane at a mall. I told him I would only be able to Daygame and he was totally cool with that. My goal was to be better at communication for business and life, and that it would all come to me fast(wrong).

 

Everyone progresses at somewhat different paces as everyone starts in different places, as long as you're practicing consistently, you're winning.

 

 

Day One

Day one was pretty intense. We debriefed inside a mall. Kane answered all of my questions and gave me some pointers. I was nervous and begin to make excuses not to game inside of the mall. We stepped outside and my first approach was a passerby, and that's just what it was, haha. I moved onto a girl sitting on a public bench and gotten the "I don't understand" go away routine.

 

After the bench blowout, in a low voice I approached a girl who was walking by . Kane quickly called me out on that and called the girl back, and began to tell her loud and clear that I thought she was cute. Man was I blushing and totally embarrassed.

 

Yeah basically when someone is uncomfortable, they're giving off signals that may make others uncomfortable, especially if you're assuming you're gonna get rejected.

 

I already thought that I had blown it and had prepared to move on to the next open, but what Kane showed me was the mistakes that I was making ,and what I learned was that it's truly never over until it's over. After the first day I was totally exhausted . Kane went all out for me, because he became sick from walking so much on a hot sizzling summer day.

 

I pussied out and truly felt walking around everywhere would help me more than staying just staying in one place. Maybe I felt so strange about anyone knowing or smelling my burnouts, haha.

We moved on to a university, which was a little crazy. Right out the gate Kane had me approaching.

 

Yeah...people don't really care what others are doing most of the time, everyone's generally super focused on themselves.

 

The girl at the gate was on a business trip with her co-worker. We walked with them for awhile. Kane was already showing me how to use kino! They were going the opposite direction, and soon after I got a wechat from a random college girl doing nothing.

 

Random college girl - I remember this girl - dressed in a pink dress, she was nice.

 

After Kane pushed me to run after an approach which would be my first tall, attractive looking girl. I opened with "do you know where", Kane took a picture of the set to highlight the thing that I was doing wrong in my body language. I made a mental note to correct it while being shocked of seeing how truly tall she was compared to me..

 

Oh I've been found out !

 

 

Next we moved onto a cafe and I spotted a girl with a yellow bicycle, now this was a bookworm, clever , English leaner. She was put promoting an event . While we were talking she had overheard Kane giving me some pointers ,and also saw Kane chatting it up with a blond white girl(ahaha, good times).

 

This is what's so awesome about Kane's training, the game is always on for his students, no excuses if a girl or anyone overhears or suspects something.

Later on Kane showed me how to stop a girl wearing headphones , and how to increase a girls body heat(I saw another awesome way later on)with a girl that was on her way to work.

This was amazing because later on Kane showed me how she responded in his text, and it truly made her day.

 

Yeah, girls usually find pick up to be interesting and don't freak out, unless they are crazy american feminazi's.

And so on.........

The following meet ups were done to accommodate my schedule. Kane will go all out for you if you put in the effort.

 

A lot of the sets I had to open 100% up on my own, no hand holding, but he would assist me after I showed effort with past sets. I recall opening a three set , Kane came in in a short while later and talked to one, while I handled the other two girls. I was learning and using the tactics he taught me for groups and winging.

 

Of course I got the wechat! I had to leave early, but i didn't fully follow through on my promise of opening all the way to the subway. It's not like I had intended to do so, but the heat and bullshit was shredding off me.

 

Always find ur limit and then work to push it a little further, when u can.

Once on our way back we opened two Koreans on their way to eat. I used the body heat raise /Kino escalation tactic Kane had demonstrated at the end of the first day. .It gave me a real good close.

 

Body heat raise? I think you mean Buying Temperature Spike?

Kane's bootcamp gave me all the tools that I needed to be out on my own or with wing. I must say these tools were learned in real time. Kane would tell me or show me them during sets, and if I had needed more help he would tell or show me how correctly to properly use the technique.

 

Kane has a psychological approach to helping you be who you want to be. Be prepared to reflect and ask yourself deep questions. After everyday Kane would help me with wechat text, and he was always hands on.

 

 

In Kane & Pole we trust.

 

Pickup Asia is hands on like a yo-yo, and will help guide you to show what's acceptable with Asian godesses.

A lot of werstern style appraoching doesn't work. To be fair the other companies that come through Hong Kong for 3days 1-3 timesa year truly don't have the expereince to tell you what to do, and how to apprach Chinese women in English and Chinese

 

 

 

Ok so there you have it. This was done a year ago. So my next report will have follow up.. It will detail and highlight how an where my journey is, and pretty much came full circle.

 

 

Scream Phoenix (Resurrection)... coming soon

 

Sounds like a quote from fight club .

 

Ideally add:

 

5 Things I did will

 

5 Things I will do better

 

5 Realizations I had

[Shanghai Bootcamp FR - Feb 17-19 Repost]

Dude.

 

Fucken AWESOME bootcamp FR.

 

You covered a lot of really good points and really clearly displayed what you learnt and how you learnt it.

 

That Negative Tightness Japanese girl - whats the current situation with her? You gotta keep going with her until you bang her, she was too hot.

 

Ideally keep weekly or more FR's coming.

 

I'll talk to u later this week on the skype/wechat call!

 

Great stuff

 

Kane

[Shanghai Bootcamp with Kane Vast]

I'm still confused as to why I look like a drug dealer.

 

I never thought that way about myself.

[Chocolate in China]

Yo Dude!

 

I am in Shanghai and you should hit me up if you come here.

 

Kane

[FR : The Selfie Opener]

Wassup,

 

Here is the 'Selfie Opener' FR.

 

Two parts:

 

The FR

 

The LR

 

 

Here we go:

 

 

 

Dali and I were doing day game at SOHO (the new 'ritzy' shopping center across from San Li Tun in Beijing) when i saw some girls using one of those 'selfie cameras' that Asians love to take selfies with.

 

They were in some weird shop which was half cafe half hair dressing place.

 

Whenever I see this, i use my go to opener, which is to just cruise up and take a selfie of myself while the girls are taking their selfie, so it becomes a selfie within a selfie.

 

The responses is that girls laugh and then I continue the interaction, either via talking normally or.....

 

As they were laughing at the 'selfie opener' I opened the text message section on my phone and started using that to communicate with the girl i liked thru the glass window, did the usual info exchange and compliments, then I told her we're gonna come in and join then, she nodded, we then cruised into the cafe thing.

 

I sat next to my girl (the girl on the right hand side) and made constant really strong eye contact with her, she responded well and seemed to become very very attracted as she was responding well to kino (the finger nail polish question thing I always use) and started giving me 'opportunities' like when I talked about liking girls who cooked, she mentioned she could cook for me sometime.

 

Started qualifying her based on those things and about where she was from (North of China obviously), talked to her about her experience with foreigners ect ect ect, she never mentioned having a bf or anything.

 

Dali was running obstacle game on the other two, the 'covering her face girl' (who you can see put her hand on the window in the selfie I took) continued her 'I'm bitchy and unfriendly' theme for at least half the Sarge (I later found out that she didn't like my girl and was probably upset about not getting as much attention), the other girl and Dali got along reasonably well and she ended up ONS'ing Dali, that's another story for another time though.

 

The Qualifications I did that I think really struck a cord were:

 

You don't look like a normal Chinese girl - I like people who have a different look or image, you're extremely feminine - she was, it was fantastic.

 

Turn's out she half Japanese half Chinese, doesn't usually tell people though cause the Chinese Japan tiff and all.

 

I went into detail about why I like feminine girls and how I think women should be feminine and men should be masculine so we can balance each other and men can look after women ect ect.

 

After about 20 mins:

 

Eventually started running comfort and showing her pics of my dog and explaining that it's still in SH and I miss it and went back to the cooking topic i.e I like it when people cook for me as my mum always used to do it and it gives me a 'at home' feeling, she told me about her family and her pets (we had built a decent connection as we were exchanging info/emotions not just talking at each other)

 

I set up a time bridge for about 4 to 6 days later to meet at San Li Tun again and eat some French Crepes (which is a great thing to do for a date at SLT), which leads to the LR, kissed her on the hand while keeping porno like eye contact ( i like doing this to build a bit of sexual tension while still holding the 'gentlemen' vibe as it makes Chinese girls more chill)

 

 

Pic I took while performing the 'Selfie Opener'

 

 

LR will come out within the next 48 hours, gotta check to see if I have any photos to add into it.

[HK BootCamp FR]

So....whats ur plan for the next month?

 

Your field report didn't list specifically what you learn't or your major changes.

 

Give us a clear idea of what you want to achieve within the next month or so, this is crucial because without goals, you are without direction.

[Toronto Airport Brunette]

Also you should offer more challenge, i dunno if this suits you in particular but if she says shes from X place or going to X place, you reply with ewwww gross, her age - 16, ewwww gross, and then follow it up with 'just kidding'.

 

It's typical push pull.

 

You generally open and then pull pull pull pull, whereas u need to add in some push.

 

Another way to do so is if the girl says shes from X place and you're response is 'oh really? haha all girls from X place are sexual predators' and claim she's a rapist (said in a funny way), because this demonstrates 1. funnies, 2. sexuality 3. you're not going 'please like me please like me'

 

Also you mentioned you negged her about her age, from what I read you didn't neg, you just teased about the age difference.

 

a neg would be:

 

You look really young, how old are you?

I'm 16

Oh really......that's....cute....you must be into lots of cute kiddy stuff, thats...er...very..charming...did you have fairy bread at ur last bday party?

 

Delivery:

 

You say the words like you mean them so it SOUNDS like a compliment, but your facial expression/emotional output should show you're not really complimenting her, you're being patronizing.

[Toronto Airport Brunette]

"Blah blah I told her a few stories which raised her buying temperature a bit but although she was smiling and laughing didn't seem too invested in this interaction. Another weakness I noticed was that my teases were just me calling her young and myself being older and more mature. It was bad because it just destroyed a chance for connection and comfort. Sometimes I feel pressured to neg when the neg I used was anti effective

 

Me "So tell me about something cool about yourself?"

Her "hmm I hate this question I don't know how to respond."

Me "Anything?? Cmon you seem like a cool down to earth girl you gotta something.."

Her "ehhh... I'm just a very boring person."

Me "ok.. So Netflix?"

Her "haha no.. Blah blah blah""

 

Too much comfort 'nice' game and not enough attraction, you can't really 'add in' more attraction by your behavior because you trip yourself up in this way.

 

I would say you need to hone in ur sub comms more and focus less on what you say, because what you say trips you up.

 

Also you didn't sexualize.

[Shanghai Chill Girl]

1. Don't talk to girls ur not attracted to.

2. You're giving off signals to girls you're not into, so you're probably 'trying' too hard to be 'accepted' by them/people in general, I've reached such a high level of disregard for girls I don't like that I drill into them about their life and dig out all the bad points then spend most of the 'winging' period of the set criticizing them for having such a terrible life. it's fun.

3. Why did ur friend try to stop u from approaching?

4. Good stuff on banging her, keep up the good work.

[HohhotHO beginnings]

Can we get a response to this?

[FR/LR Kunming 15 minute bang.]

Me too.. I don't like it either. Sometimes i wouldn't even use it on a new girl. Although i put it on, i cant feel anything, then i would take it off to bang.

 

I do this because I usually do Day game, in my mind day game girls are more clean but yea, how can you tell for sure right.

 

if its a girl from the night club, i definitely would put a condom on.

 

How can you tell how slutty she is from the first 15 minutes? / the first few minutes in the interaction / from SNL, (day and night game girl)

 

 

This is a very typical Asian guy frame, girls from the day time are not cleaner, as those same girls go to night clubs too.

 

Most girls get STDs from fucking dudes who fuck a lot of hookers.

 

It's not about the girl being slutty, its about finding girls who give you quick compliance and pulling the trigger, plus putting her in a situation where rejecting sex is difficult certianly helps.

[HohhotHO beginnings]

Also i suggest you use the alumni section for posting further feed reports, it's further down the page when you've just logged in called 'field reports and lay reports'

[HohhotHO beginnings]

Well unfortunately, I was not shown how to seduce not using English. At the bootcamp I was using English most of the time in a Tier One city. A language-free lure (technique) was not in the mix.

Unfortunately, I can't download '48 laws, Charisma Myth or Art of Seduction'. All links lead to bullshit advertisments or virus traps.

Unfortunately, I have not the interest to endure another 'busy or boyfriend' excuse from any of these girls beyond the language barrier - IF they do speak English, they still have a full schedule I have to penetrate with my low moral as a solitary PUA with a capricious background. Too much work me.

 

1. I already told you - find girls who speak SOME English - it doesn't have to be very much, as the important thing is that they like you, if they like you, they will put in effort to communicate with you.

 

2. I told you to go to Universities and to use TanTan and other APPs :

 

You already found out at universities there are girls who speak English and I assume most of the girls on Tantan who hit you up are probably speaking English to you.

 

Other apps I suggest you try that will result in being knee deep in girls quickly are:

 

Skout

Badoo

 

They both function in a very similar way to TanTan.

 

The books -

 

Buy them off amazon?

 

I don't know how you were searching for the books but i went to yahoo and typed in 'the art of seduction pdf download' and both the first link and second link directly lead me to the book without any ads and had it available to download, directly.

 

http://pdfsr.com/pdf/the-art-of-seduction

 

http://vk.com/doc-39319205_153955620?dl=909dbacee141a27e71

 

the war of art:

http://vk.com/doc2413557_31635438?hash=717727e9dd05999852&dl=28aabb49a7217e1962

http://ge.tt/6OQjQL71/v/0

 

If i can find these books on the internet within 2 minutes, there's no reason you can't.

 

 

Busy/bf:

 

If you run things properly, you won't get every girl giving you these excuses.

If you run into some obstacles and get all negative and give up - you will never succeed at anything.

 

I gave you a very specific process to follow and need you to follow it, I will clarify it again at the bottom of this report.

 

 

Unfortunately, I have snapped back into my isolating habits which retard any interest whatsoever into talking with busy, text-zombies who have boyfriends with the advantage of speaking their own language.

Unfortunately, I work weekends which doesn't bode well here with girls having freetime on days I have off.

 

This is a choice you are making.

 

I originally told you that although you can get success in a smaller city, you would find life more enjoyable and easier in a larger city (i.e you would get paid more, your time would be more reasonable and there would be more 'westernized' girls)

 

It's just a matter of time, effort and numbers - larger cities are easier.

 

 

Unfortuantely, I live in a Tier3 (or4) city with a heavy conservative emphasis on getting married. Me with a religious background (that I'm trying to forget), doesn't like to encounter this marital shit. It's not just the bummer of getting locked into a marital debt bomb but also being subordinated and relegated by the girl and her peers due to my lingual limitations.

 

No one says you need to marry the girl - there are millions of girls (even right now) that are having sex outside marriage every minute in China.

 

Smaller cities will have some 'traditional' girls, but i can also say that smaller cities have less foreigners - so the foreigner effect is stronger, which helps in attracting and closing girls.

 

You are being way too negative about the language issue and using it as an excuse, this doesn't help you.

 

 

Yes, there is Resistance here. What's the solution? It's just me here, as usual, relying on my willpower to 'wait' for perfect external conditions to trigger interest into doing this again. This is not fun. I thought this was supposed to be fun. Sure, it's fun to get a WeChat. It's not fun afterwards to get blown off or tell me they're at work or their boyfriends work. Fuckin bullshit makes me wonder why not head to Thailand in the Fall because it's cold and lonely here in the Winter.

Coupled with the fact, unfortunately, that Kane is simply too busy to respond to my needs. I made the retarded decision to stay in this city, deceiving myself that I can easily lure a China doll into my apartment.

This has to be fun for me to do this: Attraction versus Promotion.

 

Wait....?

 

You do not wait, you see something you want, you make a plan to try and ensure you can get it and you take action to execute that plan.

 

It's not always fun, changing your life, yourself, over coming your problems, facing your fears and pushing past your limitations is rarely fun.

 

A brief example - I want to record a release a video series about pick up and sell it on the internet:

 

I enjoy taking the video for the infield part, I completely hate doing the rest of it - writing the advertising, researching stuff, putting the video together, editing it and then dealing with all the logistical stuff behind that....but I want the result, so I make a good plan and get past the stuff I don't enjoy while keeping my eye on the prize.

 

If girls are giving you those excuses its either you're looking at things too negatively or you're not attracting them properly.

 

The question you should be asking is - how can i meet lots of new women every week and enjoy doing so?

 

My advice:

 

Universities - the social events in those universities

Any other social events around town

If you're really at a loss - Start an English corner and post it on your wechat, that makes you the leader of the group, all you need to do is organize stuff, you can make a bit of money from it or just make it free and meet a lot of new people every week, it's more enjoyable because everyone sees you as high value and will treat you as such, plus you get the be the king of the mountain in that group for meeting girls.

 

Most girls that turn up will speak ok English, you can ask some of the girls you work with to help post advertisements.

 

 

 

 

 

I am locked, frozen, not budging, isolated, discouraged, demoralized and downright pissed off with this fate.

The ONLY thing I relate to in 'Way of the Superior' is the ETERNITY factor. Of course this is familiar with me, I was pursuing monasticism years back, being duped by a controlling fear-religion not based on history. The rest I DO NOT relate with. I have no woman, children or career interests. Money has never been a problem with me, getting beautiful pussy has. This book assumes I have this shit. I don't! Look, I'm divorced. I married/divorced a fat chick because of religion. I divorced her because she wanted (wants?) to be a TV blob. It was a fucking nightmare. I don't want to read shit on how to treat a woman. I know how to treat people, afterall, I was living the Golden Rule tenaciously for 16 years! There is no aspiration other than getting the HB; thus I don't relate.

 

Fate.......It's not a Fate, it's all decisions and responsibility.

 

The way of the superior man seemingly is a guide on how to treat women well and get along with them peacefully.....yeah...it's also a collection of mindsets for yourself, which is the more important part.

 

If you want to get girls then you need to set the situation up to make that easy:

 

1. Get in contact with lots of girls

2. Display value that attracts them/actively avoid doing things which destroy your value - displaying value: being willing to spend money, having decent clothing and a decent place - doesn't have to be anything super amazing, but needs to be at a decent level, have stuff happening in your life which they can gain from by doing with you (bicycle riding being an example)

 

Avoid destroying ur value:

Neediness

Being negative

Showing low social IQ

 

3. Make the process of progressing the relationship as smooth as possible:

 

I.e once you have the girls interest - meet her, get her more interested, get her to trust you, escalate things until you get to sexual contact.

 

this may take one day, it may take 3, all depends on the situation, the girl and your actions.

 

 

 

Unfortantely, I have Resistance so I can relate to what's mentioned in the War of Art. Yes, I read these books and they're somewhat inspiring. But, unfortunately, I don't see where I'm going to get the motivation to overcome my Bullshit/Resistance. I'm alone here. No one is here in the flesh to encourage me. NO one gives a shit. All I see in the Beijing WeChat are PUAs living the high life. I ain't going to relate to that. I don't see how to get what they have and I certainly do not want to be talked down to because I'm still stuck in religious retardation or isolating habits.

 

"Think of the most discouraging thing that you are currently carrying or the biggest project you can’t seem to tackle. Forget about how it happened, forget about how you got there, just look at the clock, and before that number changes, do one little thing to make it better. After you do, enjoy your moment of victory, and then do it again. In less than the time it takes you to blink, the past will burden you no more.” --Dan Pearce

 

The puas in Beijing have that life because they went through the process.

 

No one is going to talk down to you, people are not perfect but we are here to help, that also means there usually isn't much sugar coating.

 

You're right, no one in honhot gives a shit what you do, you can sit in your apartment and complain and it won't make even one little bit of a difference to anyone there.

 

So why don't you start giving a shit about yourself and take the following steps:

 

1. Approach at least 1 girl a day, write a report about it, every day - it doesn't have to be long

2. Contact 10 new girls via APPs every day

3. Date each girl to the exact same location doing the exact same thing;

 

This may cancel out some of the flexibility and cut out some girls but at least you will get incredibly consistent practice at dating the girls and progressing things to sex.

 

One of your major issues is that you lack consistency and think that you shouldn't be responsible for whatever situation you're in.

 

As I have spent a pretty decent amount of time talking with you, I know you want to change, I know you have a lot of good qualities and are quite brave.

 

So please take action in the right direction.

 

Also watch this video

 

 

If you don't have a vpn...

 

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTYyMDAyNjQ4.html

 

 

You can post daily reports here, you can also hit up the beijing boners group chat - people will be supportive, you can also wechat me, if i don't respond then pls message me again a few hours later, it's not intentional, i have 3000+ contacts so sometimes I do miss stuff.

[FR/LR Kunming 15 minute bang.]

Did you use condom?

/quote]

 

This is a very complicated question.

 

I am part of a wechat group called 'raw dawgs' if that makes any sense .

 

I do use condoms sometimes but usually don't like too.

 

Depends on if its a new girl and her sluttyness rating.

[FR/LR Kunming 15 minute bang.]

Kane. The only thing that could be better about this is if you memorialized her titties in plastercast and sent them to me with a package of fun guy.

 

You are the shit. My hero. And you convinced me to get a hostel every weekend. How's that for validation honky.

 

'She went to the shower' . . . I'm not really clear about the shower thing. Had she already decided to take a shower before your joke about the shower? Like maybe she was already dressed in room-to-shower clothes?

 

The after-the-fact good girl qualifier is awesome. Were you qualifying her otherwise?

 

 

I totally agree.

 

Validation to the max .

 

She was already planning on taking a shower i guess, she had to go back to her room to get the necessaries for a shower though.

 

I probably did qualify her on other stuff but don't remember.

 

I met up with her again after i came back to kunming from lijiang and we banged again.

 

It was good.

 

Kane

[HohhotHO beginnings]

Hello, I'm the new guy, a beginner and probably the only practicing, conscious, English speaking, PUA in this city. Approaching is easy since I dabbled with it in the US. The girls are way more friendly on this side of the pond (in Asia that is). Getting the WeChat is a cake walk. The real problem is the follow up, which means learning/speaking more Chinese and keeping it out of the friend zone. I have girls for friends right now but I don't want friends: I want power. I want skills. I want seductive lures. I want transformation.

 

Your issues with the friend zone are because of the initial frames you set during your initial interactions by being too indirect and being afraid of kinoing girls.

 

It's better to get blown out than to go home and masturbate over 'what could have been'.

 

As the old saying goes ' get blown or blown out'

 

Are you reading the books I mentioned before?

 

The black book (i just emailed it to you again)

The war of art

The way of the superior man

The Charisma Myth

The art of seduction

48 laws of power

 

 

 

There's less English here but occasionally I do meet some girls who speak fluently. Thus I have two categories: English speaking babes (less common) and Chinese speaking babes (everywhere). I feel this where I'm lacking, the follow up that is. I'm rather unsure of myself and afraid of rejection and/or failed relationship. After taking the Boot Camp, I am very inspired to learn Chinese but I do succumb to lethargy since I'm on my own here in Hohhot, Inner Mongolia.

 

Yeah so it takes time to work through your own bullshit - we all give ourselves bullshit, we all get in our own way at times.

 

You don't need Chinese to be successful, we just finished the All Asia Pick Up summit which included both foreigners and Chinese guys in Korea - people from both groups got laid without being able to speak Korea or even English very in some cases.

 

 

 

Basically I don't see how to seduce the China babe when I speak limited Chinese. I do have my notes from Boot Camp but I fail to see how I can accomplish what was suggested since there was so much information given with many subtle rules. I can't see the connection from what was learned and how to apply it to my current reality. I'm stuck because I think I must improve my Chinese before making more approaches, which means I have to wait . . . again. I'm fresh meat here, so go easy on me.

 

One of my Chinese students opened a foreign girl in Korea, she was from some Eastern European country, and spoke no English, he spoke zero of whatever language she spoke, he opened her and was making out with her without any language assistance.

 

You don't need to 'learn more Chinese' before you can approach - thats look for excuses on why not to approach, you need to learn more Chinese AS you approach.

 

It's one of the best ways to learn a language .

 

So.....make a clear schedule:

 

like Open a girl every day, and send a mini FR into the Wechat groups, also send us your chat history so we can give you feed back and help you keep improving.

 

Kane