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In Shanghai: Opened a lot of sets that just walked by because I didn't give them enough space to see me trying to stop them, or I blanked on what to say. I NEED TO MAKE MORE EYE CONTACT. 2-3 minute set. KV was in set with another girl and I opened a girl on her phone at a railing in the mall. Who are we going to meet? Huh? You're looking for your friends right? (Should have said our friends haha) Yeah. How many? 3 I think. Nice! High five. You should come join us instead. I gesture to Kane and his girl who he's been amazingly managing to get to stay even though she keeps saying she has to go. I figured this would help his girl feel more comfortable if I had someone to talk to and we were in a group, but in hindsight it might have been just as well that I would be within view. Decent kino compliance but her friends messaged her and she had to go. 3 minute 2 set. Blue hair girl with lensless harry potter glasses, her friend is absolutely terrible though. I tell her to try them on and she smiles and hands them to me, so I do and joke that I can see her much better or something like that. I tell her I want to see her wear them. Very cute. What are you doing today. More BT spikes. Tell her we're going the other way and for them to have fun. She tries to have me keep the glasses. Kane has to translate that I wouldn't feel right taking them from a girl. Eject and then Kane explains that her keenness was super high and that I should probably try for that. Chase back after them and wc close saying I forgot I had to get her wechat. Spend 5 more minutes in set speaking my bad Chinese from that day and then we go. 2 minute set on the street. Want to know what these 3 girls uniforms are for. No English. Try to understand their answer in Chinese. They are going to work. They're clothing salesmen lol. High fives and let them go. Probably could have wechat closed since they work close to my hotel. 1 minute set. Almost at hotel, make a joke to one 3 set I walk by. They're not very good so I continue. See a cute girl and say I like her hat, does she want to trade (I have no hat). No English. Start with Chinese and the 3 set I just passed was meeting her at the street corner. She's relatively compliant but the other 3 want to go. Kept walking with them for 30 yards to my hotel. They thought the hat thing was funny. Said goodbye to target and tried to get a high five because, she didn't want to and I said awww please. No lol. Okay, see you! Some night game with KV. Arrived early, opened one 2 set who was outside smoking. One girl wasn't bad so spent about 10 minutes in set. Target doesn't speak English well, obstacle does. Should have used this more and had her translate. Tried to do a hand motion for a smoke that I saw Brizzo do once and was curious what they'd do. They laughed and I explained that I saw my friend do it once, even though I don't smoke. They were there together. I'm from california, you're from France! No, Singapore. The target is from China though. Set was reasonably compliant, then they wanted to go back inside and I said I'd see them later. Bitch opened a lot of sets, wasn't opening in English for some reason like a retard. First good set KV opens a 2 set with roller skates. 10 minutes or so. Brings me in and says his girl roller skated all the way here carrying the other girl. I do the long handshake intro, she tries to pull away a couple of times and I laugh after I let her hand go. DHV, do some PIE without much qualification. I think I did a bit though. Shortly into the set KV's girl exclaims that he's a pickup artist and was on such and such tv show. My girls turns and KV is laughing, he'd opened her around 3 years before. I wanted to say who's KV, but wasn't sure what he'd said. My girl is confused, I explain that he teaches guys how to talk to girls. What? Does that really work? Well your friend seems to be having a pretty good time so I'd think so! I ask her if she wants to try it and reach down to physically pick her up. She steps back and goes no no! She is smiling and enjoying the conversation more and more as time goes on, and then Sean arrives and I say hi and introduce him. Eventually we let them go and the girl immediately looks disappointed, maybe because I didn't ask for her wechat lol 3 minute 5 set. Open what looks like a solo set who is keen, I tell her I really like her hair. Before I can get to logistics her friends join her. I forget to bring KV in and he has to position himself to take the obstacles like he had a couple of other times already. Her friends want to go because they're having a get together at her house. I compliment her necklace and pick it up, she seems slightly uncomfortable but lets me. KV exclaimed cat ears, and I laugh and tell her I got excited because I like that. Maybe that weirded her out I don't know lol. As they're leaving I say hey wait a second, you should give me your wechat. As her friends are trying to drag her away she tells them to wait and I scan her qr code but either she never accepted it or I went full retard and didn't actually send the request. ? Too bad because she was my favorite girl that night. Lesson learned, do it the same way every time or at least be careful with the ones I want to work 3-4 minute 2 set. I open a girl waiting in the road for her didi by asking where we're going. She laughs and immediately is very compliant. I actually remember to bring KV in on time this time. BT spikes, kino, wc close. Ask her why we're all going to her house. Because she wants to go home, maybe sleep? I think she wasn't super clear about us not coming along but I didn't push it even though I probably could have lol. 5 minute 3 set. Open a girl with a not great face but great fashion and tell her she's got a nice hairstyle. Rearrange them so Kane is running a 2 set most of the time and we're switching off keeping the obstacle busy. My girl is just drunk and touching and hugging a lot. My hands are cold, yeah I don't know why they are today. I'm probably dying, she should come with me since it's my last night on this earth. Forget the response. She keeps asking and I joke that maybe I'm actually a vampire. Her too. Kane says to tell her to prove it. I do, and show her my neck. She bites it just hard enough to not leave a mark haha. I tell her she's good, just hard enough to be fun. I instinctively draw back a bit when she leans in like she might try to kiss me. Not sure if that was too obvious but her friend definitely noticed. I didn't want to trigger ASD already, plus I was kinda turned off by how drunk she was. Wc close and she kisses me on the cheek before they leave.
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Haven't updated this in way too long. I'll write the sets that I remember in roughly chronological order In Chengdu. Opened some sets with Danny and the french dude. 3-5 minute set. Wanted to prove to the french guy that you could still use bad chinese and run the beginning of your sets. Girl, stop! Opened in English to lower her expectations, then she replied in perfect English. Oh well. I like your blonde hair, why did you decide to dye it? Her coworkers all do. Ask where she works etc. Too much PIE and not enough dhv'ing, too soon. She leaves to say hi to her friend in the apple store. I wave to the friend. She smiles and waves back 2-3 minute set. Opened a girl walking quickly bc she had good fashion. What does your shirt say? No English. I ask in Chinese. She shows me. Going quickly, she has to get home bc it's late. Try to get her to stop I think, she doesn't. I try to use lots of body language, ask her if she's a fashion designer or something. Yes. Wechat close quickly and she goes with a wave and a see you 10-15 minute 5 or 7 set? French guy was saying that I'd be weirded out it people did to me the strange things I do to them lol, he'd pay someone 20 kuai to test it. I open them telling them he wants to pay them 20 kuai to make me feel uncomfortable. I find my target, short cute girl with an anime sticker on her phone. I run a 4 set while french guy talks to the one good English speaker about his plan. I BT spike a good amount and kino my target, other girls and some older parents/grandparents seem to be enjoying the spectacle. Eventually some random guy comes up behind me and does something silly, a weird pose or handshake I think? I just mirror him and laugh, then I give him a handshake and spin him too. Everyone laughs. After a bit we say goodbye and go to find ShinChoc again who was in a good 30 or 45 minute set. 10 minute 2 set. ShinChoc opened, I ran interference on the obstacle. We were trying to show french guy how wing game worked but eventually he came by and just sat around us because he was bored. I brought him in to talk to the obstacle and help me out. There's no downside to this if I don't like the obstacle right? In Guangzhou. Opened one girl who was giving me a look when I was out of it, I left the store but decided to open anyway and went back in. Do you want to come with me to see my friend play guitar? (Didn't actually know if Kirby was playing lol.) What? No, I'm okay. She leaves. I try to say wait you'll like it it's really fun! It seems most of these opens where I kinda bitch out then come back go really poorly. Is this just some limiting belief that changes the way I approach when I do this? Or do the girls actually find it a bit weird In Beijing. Opened 2 half japanese girls on the tour in front of my brother. It was such a simple natural opener that he didn't really think anything of it though. Immediately hooked them and DHV'd a lot. Had good rapport the rest of the day despite them being foreign born asians. Sadly they were both a little chubby for my taste lmao. RIP my western culture. Bitch opened a cute 3 set that might have been Japanese on top of a high point by just going "not high enough." Thought I'd get blown out so I bitched out before I even opened. When I got the good reaction I didn't know what to do and kept going. Rationalized that they'd catch back up to us. What. Was. I. Thinking. Oh well, this serves as good motivation to ignore any AA. Opened a tour group on top of the wall with a cute Scandinavian girl. Told her I liked her jacket with a viking logo. Nice. Told her I'd race her to the end even though my legs were shot and I had a backpack, because it'd be a good challenge then. Good reactions and BT spiked the whole group so they liked me. Probably a total of 10 minutes as we took turns passing each other. Went well, no wc close because obviously bad logistics lol Made everybody like me in the hostel. Always good. The one girl that I thought was decently cute and worked there I didn't get a chance to game too hard though because she always slept early and I didn't push as hard as I should have if I really wanted to Things I did well: -I opened a lot of sets I would have otherwise let go -Less fluff talk than before Things I will improve: -Open MORE sets that I still let walk by, even if they're inconvenient -I will update and use my routine stack more so that I can troubleshoot better -I will approach more hot girls until I can figure out how to more reliably get them to stop and let me game them lol
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Thanks man! I just wish I had been able to go out more with you guys so we could all continue learning from each other! Ah okay, I know we talked about this a bit on Thursday, but what you said makes a lot of sense. I also think that gesturing to bring the girls focus, or maybe even her emotional focus towards you or herself could be a pretty strong tool that would be fun to play with. I hope the point and grin move works out for you! It seemed like the best option I had at the moment haha!
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Sun 17 Feb ShinChoc and his french club promoter guy, as well as Limonaide and co. wanted to do some night game. We met at Playhouse at 11 or 12, moved to the area with all the clubs we visited during the sex seminar This was about half a week ago before I turned into a mess of phlegm and pain, I'm pretty sure I forgot a lot of the decent sets I had Playhouse I believe Limonaide and co. arrived first and we went in to open some before ShinChoc arrived. Limonaide wants me to open a set (thanks for keeping me always going man), and it looks like a 2 set, 3 or 4 minutes at the coat check probably. Handshakes and spins, bring in Limonaide quickly. FORGOT LOGISTICS DISCOVERY. My girl wechat closes me. We go in and I feel weird dancing again so I go open some sets that are dancing on the tall bench things, most don't really hook or I realize that upon her turning around, I'd rather pursue other sets. Might have had a couple decent opens on the dancefloor, I don't remember ShinChoc arrives and we go outside to talk a bit. He was the one who actually got me to do a dancing open during the sex seminar, and was pretty much my inspiration for my silly dance opens haha. Silly open a set or two. I find the 2 set from earlier, it's actually a 3 (5?) set with their friends, a couple, wandering in and out. My girl waves, I come back into set and proceed with the goofy dancing. Tonight there are actually a lot of drops in volume in the music, sometimes for effect, sometimes because they want to pretend everyone's singing even though the place isn't nearly that packed. I can actually hear her "you're really good at dancing!" I almost lose it laughing. Big body language and no regard for other peoples' opinions is apparently enough of an attraction trigger to seem good at dancing ?. Limonaide reopens his girl, Danny wants me to introduce him to the other girl (the one with the boyfriend, not the other single one, it was a weird situation or I hadn't understood the set yet) I yelled, "this is my other brother" and then pushed them both towards each other (this is in a line formation so it doesn't cut anyone off really Stay in this set 45 minutes to 1 hour+. Got a lot of IOI's from other girls during this set but I wanted to run it long. Danny comes up to me to suggest I isolate after probably 10 or 15 minutes. Right. I ask my girl if she wants to go somewhere we can hear better. I'm sweating so she thinks it's probably a good idea. We go to the bar and I get a water, I think I just ask for 2 without thinking and give her one haha. Limonaide and his friend come in with their respective girls (the other 2 single ones from the set.) Limonaide positions perfectly, his girl back to back with mine. I start with some small talk and that was fun and answering comfort questions while I wrack my brain trying to remember what my routine stack is. Decide to throw in some more DHV's because why not. She mentions a couple times that she's really attracted to me, I alternate between "I know" and "that's good, I like you too." She wants to try skydiving, don't know what other qualification I did. She kept asking to take pictures with me, and took some pictures of me dancing. I know now this is for her vlog (I assume this is fine right? As long as I don't set unrealistic expectations about being bf/gf?). Seed her visiting me in California, cat cafes, park on top of the mall. She asks how many girlfriends I have. 43. WHAT. Yeah! No just kidding none right now. After this I work in how I only like girls who like me, that all 3 of my long term girlfriends slept with me on the first or second date. A little while later she mentions how her last boyfriend cheated and that's why she's at the club. I say that's not okay, you have to at least be honest. Relationships are only good if everyone is keeping each other happy and they care for each other. (Is there a better response to this?) At a few points she talks about how cute she thinks some of the girls are, I try to encourage this. Asking which ones, nodding approvingly, and giving all the smiles and nice's I could. She wants to go dance some more, okay. They tell us 15 minutes before they're leaving at 2, I walk them out. Leading or pushing(directing) my girl if she gets ahead, though I should just lead harder instead of letting them discuss directions to escape the noise box. I take the time going to coat check to make a good last memory, and time bridge cat cafe on Wednesday. She was pretty kino compliant d1 even though I tried to keep from escalating too fast. I was thinking that I didn't want to trigger resistance when I was still adjusting to the environment and getting back into game. I started with the hands and arms, tickled her exposed sides and back sometimes, stuck some tissue paper I caught in the front of her pants, slid my hand up the back of her shirt once, but most kino was on the arms and when getting her to do a silly dance with me. Oh I guess I did spank her at one point, I must really have a thing for that ? Opened a decent amount more sets I think but none were super memorable, one time guys got up in my face and tried putting hands on me pushing my arms down (they couldn't they were either weak of body or spirit) while I tried to ask what the flashing pacifier shaped like a cat was in this one girl's mouth. After about a minute of this and a translation from Limonaide, I smiled and waved bye bye to the pacifier girl. Not sure if these guys were just drunk and belligerent, but even most of the guys who handle guys talking to their girls poorly handle it better than that haha. Or maybe they had seen me going around encroaching on peoples' table space? 5-15 mins. Open one 3 set dancing on a podium by jumping on the outside and pretending I am going to fall. I reach out, save me! Very little reaction. I laugh and say if they don't help me I'll be in trouble, not that they hear it. After a bit of determination I motion I'm coming inside, they let me. I push one like a klutz but more or less recover by helping her back up. I scoot them all over a bit since everyone's sitting on the railing. 3rd girl leaves, she's the one who doesn't want to have anything to do with guys opening her, how do these girls reproduce lol. Okay but seriously how do I open girls like these? Do you just open really softly, or maybe it has to seem a lot more natural? I just smile. Wing doesn't want to come in so I just run the set a while. Compliment one girl's choker. The other ones dress or something. They are both okay attractive and I can't decide, and in my late night mind I just decide to give both attention. At first they seem to feel awkward when I "switch targets" but then after a minute or two they're both smiling a lot and really enjoying it. I know this is only attraction but I wonder if you can keep that up haha. I decide to get more practice and eject. I kiss the hands of the two girls still there and wave goodbyes. Botch a couple opens, ShinChoc, Limonaide, and their friends are not in set either anymore, I ask if they want to head out. Sure. Jump back up and reopen the 3 set again because I thought it'd be better than walking by them. Third girl is back, unhappy lol. A guy turns around, forget what he does but doesn't like me there. Smile at him. Motion to see if ShinChoc wants to join. No. Take the 2 girls hands, shake, deep bow, offer hand to third girl, she moves her hands away before I can even get close. I make an "I didn't need you anyway" face and wave my hand between us. Other 2 think this is funny, but she actually seems kind of sad that I did that. I don't know what to make of this. New theory: she's actually waiting for more validation and wants to feel like the relationship is "natural." I don't know how to affect that though. Other clubs It was late so some of the clubs were outright dead or almost dead. Some really good tips for how to navigate them from ShinChoc though. Open with ShinChoc in a bouncing stage club was going really well until the boyfriend who was right there started trying to make himself known. Good BT spikes on her shirt. ShinChoc mentions after that I should point to myself and not at them when trying to reference something so I don't make them feel nervous. One open I open the guy and ask if the girl behind him is with him. No. He gets up. Took too long? She wants none of it, no English, no Chinese, she gets up and walks away. Last notable open is on a raised platform with a rail slightly higher than the dance floor. Girl is watching. I open poorly asking about her dress. Are you two here together. No. Very little more chat. She steps away. Okay, ShinChoc want a chance? Nah, go again. Hey so are you a princess or something? She walks away entirely. I try to open the other girl (who was actually her friend) She doesn't respond either. I go back after talking to ShinChoc a bit about where to go next. Before we leave he says open her again. I do, she still waves no but she's not actually leaving at this point hahaha. Left for the next venue and eventually did a debrief with ShinChoc over breakfast Things I did well: -I did whatever I wanted on the dance floor and it worked. Come to think of it I do whatever I want pretty well -I didn't hesitate to open at all that I can recall -I got a good timebridge that turned into a d2! -I ran a long set and never really lost too much momentum -I opened obstacles and made the friends like me Things I will improve: -I will always always ALWAYS remember to do logistics discovery early in set (this is basic optimization I can't believe I'm forgetting it) -I will find ways to use social proof even more effectively -I will focus a bit more on my kino escalation/calibration -I will stay in set a little longer in sets I'm not interested in so that it appears I am doing well to other girls who are observing -I will wear appropriate clothing outside and sleep and eat healthy so I don't get a shitty sickness while I should be gaming Realizations: -I have actually gotten a lot better at this! -Guys usually have no idea how to deal with another guy hitting on their girl for some reason, even if they hang out in places where it's hard to tell who's with who -Girls that dress well seem to be more responsive to being opened -Smiles while walking by seem to make opens easier, should have used that more -Other guys pushing you to open makes it a challenge and really makes AA pretty small
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Hahaha, yeah I didn't really see many of them. My eyes are only adjusted to see girls or dangerous looking guys. The fact you can calibrate to the type of club makes a lot of sense though, not something I really would have thought of ? Ah, I should have eventually pulled out my phone more. Would have also told me if they spoke English. Chinglish in yelled form can be pretty rough to understand. I tried to do the lean back and point at my ear, they usually tried a couple of times. And then I'd actually feel a bit bad for them because I couldn't hear them still Mostly just arm touching and some back touching to lead them where I wanted them. Kino was not quite up to snuff that night. Funny because I'm usually pretty aggressive with the kino Ah that's a good point. Though since they all had boyfriends it seems like that was a little higher effort than I wanted to go that night haha You mean imitate it and give her low compliance as well? Or just see if she'll stand next to me and have some kind of implicit agreement that we're dancing together Haha fun is good! And yeah I didn't actually think about it being low compliance because it's so out of the ordinary Wow, great play as always haha. I'm mad I didn't think of that HA! Hey I do a pretty great job of optimizing my social programs to keep processing requirements low okay Hahaha, I think you pretty much nailed that one. I haven't seen much benefit in having emotional responses anyway, so why let it get in the way of my optimizing my game right What does NC mean? I guess I should have asked how long they'd be there too, that way I'd have known if i should come back sooner or try to just re hook my target. Yeah, I would prefer not to be there to begin with. But you know, when life gives you lemons, distill out the L-ascorbic acid and sell it on ebay Not sure, I think it was pretty watered down because it didn't leave any marks that I could see. Nice and cool though That makes sense. I just realized I should have done what you told me to do once though and helped her clean up, then started unbuttoning my shirt. Saying "it's not clean, would you help me with this?" Well I can say I did it once now, once was enough. Please send get well soon cards to help speed my recovery
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Hahaha thanks! Turns out she has a boyfriend, who she says she loves very much. I just kept DHV'ing myself and now for days she's been asking me to come visit her, and then come visit her kindergarten, and so on. "Oh right it's valentine's day! \n Do you want to be my valentine today?" It was at the point I had already taken a train to Chengdu so we couldn't have seen each other physically again that day. So idk, probably that she had a bf Other girl was some random nobody knew. Turns out she kept asking everyone about their religion. How would asking her to talk about herself enhance the convo? As a DHV that I'm a social person or something? My target in this set is moving to Shanghai for school, and we're still messaging regularly. She says she's excited for us to see each other again. Though in the past couple of days I haven't said anything really intriguing or gamey so I should fix that Not cute enough, I wanted to game some girls that I'd be happy gaming Girl and mom set I messaged after we were done. "Hey! Did you guys have a good dinner?" "yep. it's not bad" "That's good haha, what'd you get? I bet I can guess your blood type based on what you ate" And then no response haha. Messaged her happy lantern festival 4 days later and she said thank you. She's from dongguan so I don't want to burn out my wc quota on her entirely, but I can at least test some stuff I liked the green hairstyle, but not interested Thanks haha! Earring girl has been responding to my occasional messages occasionally, sent me some pictures of the fireworks. More than I'd expect for such a short set I guess. I could probably dhv more and try to get her interested, she was reasonably cute I think I opened her in English "your earrings are so big, did they hurt to put in" and she just went, "I don't speak english" So I did the Chinese. I think the idea of smooth interactions over complete understanding is a really good idea though, I'll try to keep it in mind I think I'm apologizing less now haha
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Sat 16 FEB Went to do nightgame with Limonaide and his friend. Shincoc was having a sleepover or something but we are excited to game with him next time haha! There were a lot of sets, and I didn't hook a lot of them well and ejected, none were truly getting blown out though. But for that reason there are probably a good 30-50% of opens that I totally forgot. Playhouse - big Chinese club with really loud edm music and is either dance floor or a sea of tables 2 min set, opened some girls playing a dice game at a table. Tried to get them to show me how to play, only really got 3 out of 4 of their attention initially. When I'd get one interested, I'd try to hook another, and the first would lose interest again. This went on for a bit, I tried to get Limonaide to open a different girl himself to effectively reduce the set size, but it still didn't hook Did some more opens that didn't hook because I felt like I was killing the mood by not jumping up and down to the music (everyone around us stopped lol) 5-8 minute set, realized that the only way I would really be able to open and get a reaction that wasn't frustration at barely being able to hear/understand my chinese or english was to open nonverbally. Opened HB Danson With a smile and the hand of god opener plus a spin. I opened her across the obstacle and the obstacles seemed happy but then repositioned themselves behind the target. I tried to grab Limonaide and his friend as wings a bit in but I don't think it stuck too well. Tried some loud communication and she was leaning in to talk to me, but I forgot all of the things we said. She convinced me to "dance" by just jumping up and down, and seemed happy when I complied after a couple tries. Everything was BT spikes and maybe a bit of comfort. Obstacles wanted to go get drinks so I did my best to help guide her through the crowd (from the back) and WC closed her at the bar before going back to the dance floor to optimize my time opening sets. 3-5 minute 3 set, all the girls were a bit standoffish but still interacting and smiling. Turns out it was a 6 set and they were with their boyfriends. Boyfriend 1 gave me a thumbs up or something at one point and I was like "yeah high five!" then later I think I reopened the set and the boyfriend made it clear they were together. Then he tried to get me to join him in the jumping, I signaled that I wouldn't, smiled, waved to them all and moved on. (I assume this was the right move, as letting some random guy lead me would be a DLV right?) 1 minute set, solo set seems interested and is pretty cute, but is telling me no she doesn't want to dance together or do any handshakes or the like. I keep seeing her while in other sets and she keeps looking at me but I don't know what to do. Probably should have invited her out to a quieter area. After that sets were more compliant as I was willing to "dance" and did entirely nonverbal openers for the most part. We made our way back and forth between sides of the dance floor and did some easy opens on the way for confidence and calibration. One 3 set that was actually pretty cute did the no thanks 2 handed wave and was persistent about not hooking even after a few spins and handshakes and other silly gestures I felt like doing at the time. 10-15 min set, We went outside to let our ear drums heal and for a quick chat about how to proceed. Limonaide opened a sitting 3 set with 1 guy. Opened across the guy and complimented him first, it was good. He brought me in to wing and I ran some BT spikes and comfort on the girl about where we lived and studied. Qualified her on her great drawing, that since I have no artistic ability I need someone who does to balance me out. (I was going to say so my kids can be talented at everything, but I'm still not sure if that's a really bad frame) I started losing momentum as I wasn't thinking at full speed and stopped thinking of things to say. BS palmreading fell through bc she actually knew how to palm read LOL. Limonaide and I discussed what to do across the set and decided to bounce them inside to dance and find their friends, their friends turned out to be guys and they invited us to their table. WC closed my girl and we went back to opening. 10-15 min set, Reopened HB Danson at the bar next to the dance floor and asked if she wanted to dance, lead her there and into the back where we were before. Jumped like goofballs for a minute, then I decided it'd be fun to go to the front where people were putting their hands on the plates over the speakers. Slid my way through the crowd taking her with me and even better, in front of the 3 set that didn't want to hook before. And we danced, I did whatever funny thing I felt like in a moment and made sure to keep turning to her and interacting with her or just smiling and copying her dancing. Seemed to go well, 3 set from before seemed a bit jealous too so that was fun. I also discovered I could enjoy this type of dancing, because I kept jumping like a nutcase long after everyone else's legs had started to give out and they were all just standing during the bass drops. Heh. Said goodbye when it was time to go and motioned that I had to go with my friends, tried to smile a lot and kino for a happy last impression. She texted me later asking me to come back to the dance floor Jellyfish Did some silly shuffling through the crowd to the music, smiled a lot like RPQ told me to in bootcamp. Tons of good responses and 2 or 3 easy opens that I didn't know where to take or I decided to look for higher quality girls. One 4 set lasted about 10 minutes, short girl reasonably cute, tried opening across the set and I should have gone for the one in the middle, even though I couldn't get proximity to her. Set went okay, target was pretty drunk and extremely compliant and wanted my attention. Turns out after 10 minutes or so, she had a boyfriend and the other girl might not have. How do you deal with that? Moops? -Club with mostly tables, a bar in the main room, and a bouncing dancefloor Opened a couple girls, they hooked, but it fell short on momentum because all I could do is jump around and most weren't interested in leaving the dancefloor so soon. I opened a few sets like this and the third hooked pretty well and was smiley and complaint. I can't remember, after about 15 minutes of jumping, their interest died down and they didn't want to go off the dance floor. It might have been my mental state or that I was starting to get off beat at some points too. Eventually ejected and looked for other sets but didn't hook most. Held up one of the frills on one girls dress and gave her an approving look, she seemed thoroughly conflicted and left haha Jellyfish again Opened a mixed 7 or 8 set on the dancefloor, my target and I had exchanged a couple of looks before and so I waved her over and she came, danced for me a bit and then took me back to her friends. Found out who she was there with by asking one of the guys, while complimenting them all. She was next to me but scooted to the other side of the circle as I tried to make sure the whole set was hooked. BT spiked them all a reasonable number of times and went off to go open some other girls while increasing preselection from my target. While opening a mixed 3 set, a girl behind me spilled her drink on the back of my shirt. I kept thinking I could use that as an opener since she was relatively cute, but I couldn't think of what to do. Ran into a 2 set of girls hugging, held out my arms for a hug from both. I thought it was funny but then one left and the other (a 4 or 5 at best in china) grabbed onto me and basically tried to rape me in the club. I figured I'd let her go at it for a minute or two just for the experience, but then the thought occurred to me to just directly ask her to leave and go to her place (my brother is staying at my airbnb with me.) She said wait a second and I said okay and went to look for my actual target. She was gone along with the whole set. I will say I regret nothing, but I regret it lol. Opened a couple more sets, one 4 set I tried to bounce for food with my friends but they said they weren't hungry. Met Limonaide and co. and we talked about his set and what to do for a bit and then the one who was intent on having my babies walked outside and I told her let's go together, I wanted some practice for the things I learned in the sex seminar even if I had to sacrifice a bit of my pride for it. The practice was pretty awful. LR coming soon Things I did well: -Made sure to make use of preselection by showing off the cute girls I hooked around the clubs, and high fiving the dudes I'd given face when they walked by -Did some silly openers that I enjoyed, and with good body language for the most part -Opened a lot of sets -Calibrated kino a bit better as I went along Things I will improve: -I will open more girls I think are hot that are low chance even if they're in a bad position to approach -I will pick my target BEFORE opening the set as much as possible, and learn how to open across a set but still keep my target interested -I will be more persistent in sets that seem interested but feel awkward or are giving both positive and negative feedback. Because I shouldn't really bother too much with that in getting what I want anyway -I will try to make sure all interactions I have are a DHV Realizations: -Night game is hard, but not as hard as I thought at the beginning of the night -Kino compliance in night game while dancing is a funny beast it seems, touching is more okay, but you can trigger resistance almost more easily than in daygame, probably because girls there are used to shutting guys down -I have no idea how to progress the sarge well in loud environments. Is the only goal in an extremely loud room to build enough attraction to bounce somewhere quieter? I assume you can't seed that bounce really if they can't understand your english, and all vocal communication is much slower and more deliberate.
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Friday 15 FEB Went to Chunxi lu with Limonaide and his friend for some day game. My goal was to find some girls I liked and to try to timebridge them, and to refrain from getting wechats of girls I wasn't interested in meeting. First set Limonaide challenged me to approach a 1 set, maybe 2 minutes. Cat socks opener, either she left and I tried to get her to come back, or I left because I wasn't really interested. Good warm up though 2nd, again Limonaide encouragement, 1-2 minutes. Opened with do you speak English, will you help teach me. Could have been much more fluid with my words and BT spikes. Said thanks and ejected 3rd, opened a 3 set in the bookstore, at least 30 minutes. Opened the set, asked if the old looking sony cameras they had actually worked. They're traveling to Chengdu. Me too! I want to see their pictures. Target starts showing me pictures on her camera. Kino compliant but never pushed past BT spike arm touching and touching her hands. After some more BT spikes Limonaide and his friend let me know they were behind me and I tried to bring them in to wing, did some shuffling around of the girls and Limon got his girl to talk to him but one of the others followed my target with me and so I ran a two set the rest of the time. Did a lot of talking about the target through the obstacle and got into more comfort and asking about her studies and what they do. By the end she looked like she was trying to find ways to kino me back haha. Time bridged for coffee or a movie on Monday. Another girl walked up and asked if she could join us (how do you deal with this well? I wasn't interested) But then we were asked to move out of the aisle by a staff member so it saved us more or less. 4th, Went looking for a 3 set that I saw walking upstairs that I thought was cute but couldn't find them, opened a girl by trying to read her book. She smiled and laughed. High fived and left 5th, <5 mins, Outside, walking 2 set that looked really hot so I thought it was a great chance to potentially get blown out and at least reduce future AA. Cat socks opener, turned out to be her mom, did the "does your sister speak English" bit, mom looked unhappy but daughter was very ready to help and smiling. Was going to try hooking the mom more but she walked over to a menu at the nearby restaurant so I asked if they were going to eat. Yes. Daughter had informed me they're from guangdong, told her that's where my family is from. WC closed the daughter and said have a good dinner and see you later 6th, 3 to 5 min, Limonaide wanted to see how I opened a sitting 2 set. Sat down next to the obstacle on the half a seat worth of space left and asked if the targets hair was green or. Yes it's green. Why? Some answer I forget. Asked the obstacle some questions about the target and made a few comments about the weird seat. Asked why the target was shopping on her phone in a mall. (she wasn't actually) High fived both, said something nice, and left 7th, 5 or so mins, metro on the way back. Girl sitting. Your earrings are really big, did they hurt to put in? No English, she still gets the joke in chinese with some body language. I laugh, she tries to ask me a few things quietly that I didn't understand but I apologize for my chinese (which I should stop doing) Does she live in Chengdu? Yes. Nice. Do you have wechat? Do you want to give it to me? Okay, exchange just a minute before I get off. Smile, high five, and leave Things I did well: -Utilized my small Chinese vocabulary reasonably well -Approached when I instinctively didn't want to -Opened the whole set -Good body language -I had good qualification statements in a few cases, letting the girls know their traits were good for me Things I will improve: -I will open more sets that I find attractive, rather than debating myself too long -I will remember to do logistics earlier in the interaction -I will keep pushing my interactions to involve more game and less fluff talk -I will seed more -I will increase my vocabulary so I can better convey my DHVs and qualification Realizations: -I can hook sets that would have definitely blown me out 6 months ago! -There are a lot of out of town girls during festival breaks, both benefits and drawbacks -Getting past common small talk topics and to something both of us like can be exciting for her and is much more interesting for me -I think my long hair has severely diminished the "are you here to kill me" type reactions. It's a lot easier to hook sets without girls asking what I want or what I'm doing -Agreeing and then stating my different views is very effective It was fun gaming with you and your friend Limonaide! I look forward to the next week haha!
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You know me lmfao
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FR Thurs 14 Feb Got off my flight in Chongqing with my brother and we were finding our way to the train to Chengdu/waiting for it. Did a few bitch opens where I just waved or did silly things as BT spikes to get back into it, asked for directions once but didn't WC close bc I didn't really intend to go back to chongqing. One girl at the restaurant we went to was giving me a ton of smiles every time I looked at her, so I decided to go up to the register and give her my WC saying it was a better translator than me. It was an easy WC close but I was excited because I haven't been able to push myself to try and number close most girls working in such close proximity to their bosses because I didn't want to get them in trouble at work. Decided to be cheesy and ask her to be my valentine later over WC and she said no haha, started doing the bit about "I hope you enjoy your trip back to America, I don't intend to see you again." Then I just made a bunch of comments implying how I meet a lot of girls and she's really keen again LOL. She's really great practice for things I wouldn't usually text girls
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It was the 3 set of models I opened at some event I walked by. The girl I decided to target because she spoke english said she was lesbian, and so I got her coworkers wechat too (she offered to help me) When you put it that way it makes perfect sense haha! I was wondering about other things that could trigger ASD, though now that I've thought about it I just need to think carefully about whether or not I could with my actions. And to calibrate via experience too Their boyfriends also don't know how to manage them too. That does make sense, I forget sometimes my aim is to be far better than the average guy at dealing with girls You are right that is both true, and better. I just have to think about how to say it without sounding like I'm defending being a miser haha What's more important? Seeming normal, or getting what you want? Ultimately, it doesn't matter. You just should understand that jumping through a girl's hoops doesn't necessarily mean that you're more likely to close. It only means you'll be more likely to get the meet. So, you need to consider whether you're willing to give that level of compliance for the meet. Also, keep in mind that if she "seemed keen" then she's MORE likely to give you the compliance you want. In fact, the amount of compliance you can get IS the measure for keeness. Okay, so what I need to do is decide my own willingness to give compliance and make a baseline. Though, rather than seeming strange, maybe it'd be better to say that it seems like giving low compliance would reduce her willingness to give compliance in return. Right! Which is back to how value (and keenness as her perceived value of you) and compliance are two sides of the same thing like you said in bootcamp. The light bulb just turned on lol Haha does this mean I get to join in on the "you should write an FR about it" train? This is usually a result of over-confidence, laziness or BOTH! It was both. ? That won't be happening again any time soon though! Thanks!
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Yes, you do. This is a great way to end up in all sorts of bad situations. Yeah I was just trying to get her out and get practice, but I realize now it's better to do it right and risk not having it happen, because that means I need to do something else better I mean that I told her we should go get her one, and that it could be an activity. But I was set on the idea and didn't pick up that she thought it was too boyfriend/girlfriend, whereas I could have let it be and just positively reinforced similar behaviors Ummm...what makes you think she's conservative? Because she said she is? Don't listen to what women say about themselves...they're busy managing their image. Remember the Madonna/Whore dichotomy? She's on the way to a date and gives out her number to a random dude. WARNING! WHORE! So, she tells you that she's conservative or whatever which feeds your ego by making you feel extra special and also makes her feel like she's framing herself as Madonna enough that you will respect her. She did say explicitly that she's conservative and thinks that "there's no chance for us," that she can only date one person at a time. "WARNING! WHORE! " LOL! That one had me laughing for a while. Great point though, I didn't even notice that. I thought it was all my irresistible charm ? Lols. She told you or you saw it on her WeChat or something? Anyway, since you're leaving, it's perfect for her. All the evidence of infidelity will fly away and she doesn't have much time to party before it's time to get knocked up and pop out a baby. Her coworker from the same set told me over WeChat. I guess my situation would have been very convenient for her, though I had been telling the girls I intended to go back to Shanghai to look for work, which I am seriously considering, so maybe she thought that would ruin the convenience I guess it's not getting 'swept off your feet' if the guy drops all the dating frames on her before she even decides if she likes him huh. This is getting nixed in all respects as of now. Though when do you start to really show intent? During sexcalation when you home bounce her? Just don't do anything that could make her think you want to sleep with her until you're actually there at the SL? This is also called, HAVING FUN! And is a great quality in a girl who you have communication problems with. I think this is actually probably a limiting belief for me, I had seen how unstable girls who acted like this in high school were emotionally with their boyfriends and it affects my judgement now. I should have just gone with it and just upped my energy level to hyper too and seen how it went. True, I guess I just never figured out how to deal with it because I was raised to insist on paying anyway. I wanted to change that and let it ruin my game, thought I could be as straightforward as TheRomantic and crew. I'm learning at least though, and for that I'm happy! I'm happy with women playing both traditional and non traditional roles, honestly I'm happy if she's happy (and attractive, and has similar moral guidelines, and wakes up at exactly 5:40 every morning to make herself perfect.) This is pretty good. You should have led with this. "Sorry about that...I have more cash back at my place, so we can go back and get it." That's a pretty decent (though arguably dark) home bounce plan. AH, that is a good one hah! Dark? Okay, I never knew how to get around that because I'd always just admit to being cheap so they knew what to expect, but then I'd pay. I just wouldn't go buying a bunch of overpriced candy or teddy bears. You're right. I let her dictate where to meet and where to go, and I gave her way too much compliance up front simply because I wanted to meet and she seemed keen. Though one question, if she's trying to push for places that are easy for her to go and I don't want to go (or take the time to plan a d2 in a far away location I won't go many times,) what is a good response? Just say "nah not tonight" and push for a better location for me next time? It seems strange to tell them where I'm staying and telling them to meet by me even though they're far away. She is attractive enough, I was just thinking I could deal with her levels of energy much more easily if I could do more kino and not be worried about her thinking other people are judging her. Okay I thought so too ? Haha! I'll try this one next time, not many easy comebacks to that one. Oh. That makes sense. I think the first step for me IS being aware of the social situation. Though all of this helps with that a lot, because you're clearly pointing out things that I do not realize at all. So thanks! Almost guaranteed to trigger ASD. What were you hoping to accomplish? I was trying to give her a story about what I did earlier, and that it was lighthearted and fun, and that I enjoy her as a person and as a sexual object. I did not think about the people (who were few and far between, but that doesn't matter in her mind) just like I forgot before, and that was probably a bigger problem. Ah makes sense. Next time I will follow this format. YES! !!! True, I didn't expect it to last long but you're right. I should make sure I have the option because if I know one thing, it's that I don't know... much, at least not enough to say what is or isn't likely to happen You're completely right, this is one of the things I am going to focus on until I don't even feel the urge to let her dictate the logistics or d2 anymore. No problem! I always really appreciate the feedback, late or not! My biggest focuses for the immediate future are going to be on leading the interaction while making sure I give compliance as a reward, being aware of the girls perception of the social situation (and learning how far I can push things past social expectations and in what ways), and fleshing out my stack and memorizing it, and adding a lot more of the stories I tell so I can tweak them better. Onward!
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Gotcha, that's awesome! She isn't bad looking if I remember too! I should write this on my hand or something Thanks for the FR Limon! Actually helped me learn a lot too!
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Yup, that's exactly how. Copy and past from the time stamp of the quote you want to quote. Nice! That makes this a lot easier, thanks! What do you think I should be doing differently when HB bathroomfriendgirl verbally objects to my kino? Should I be stopping a lot longer and doing more comfort and attraction? Also for the girls who are high energy to the point of not being able to sit still, how would you deal with that? Try to match their energy level or just smile and make sure that you are controlling the interaction even if you're playing along?
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Nice Limon!! This is good but I always think it's good to throw in a DHV or a joke if you think of one haha Is this the girl from the two set where you opened some more and came back? If so I'll make sure not to push the other one really hard and get blown out lol, seeing as you're my brother and all
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If only though ha! WOW! Okay that is a great story haha Thanks! I can feel the results already! I'm not an instant Don Juan DeMarco but the reflection really frees up my mind next time to ponder new things while I'm supposed to be paying attention to the girl. How do you get the quote within the quote by the way? Just copy paste from the last comment?
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FR Sat 20 OCT Plan for the day was to meet Kane to help him test his post boot camp curriculum some. D3 Bathroom girl Had been messaging her for a couple days to go out with me. Used the Disney store I seeded in person mostly. Turned into lunch because I was moving from an awfully far away hotel (thanks for the wake up call lol, TheRomantic) and she was actually nearby. D3 lasted just over an hour and a half, which I managed to push to keep her slightly longer than she intended, but still needed to meet Kane. I let her choose the restaurant (I really need to stop doing that) and it was okay. It was a small square table against the wall and I moved my chair to face the room so we were at a right angle for better kino. She was still very kino compliant for basic kino, hands touching and moving her hair out of her face is totally normal to her, but when I lead her by the back she has started to squirm. I really need to do 2 steps forward 1 step back, not 2 steps forward and a little more forward. Tried training her a little bit to want to wear necklaces I can play with and complimenting things about her clothes or her actions I like. The choker necklace thing got way harder after I explicity mentioned it though. She was happy and we parted ways with a smile on the metro Opened one girl who was standing nearby by just tilting my phone towards her, where I was reading the subconscious book. She laughed and seemed interested, I said I'd give her my wechat and was too slow, subway stopped at my transfer station and I left. Need to be faster if I think they're keen. With Kane and TheFertilizer Opened first girl with Kane's lesson plan in mind, talked way too fast for the first few opens, a few I wasn't interested in and didn't stay after finishing the basic lesson, or didn't smile genuinely. A few very short sets went by, I got shut down a few times by the crosswalk because I wasn't paying attention and wasn't expecting decent results, so I didn't get any. I also didn't push till I got blown out most of the time. Tried to find a set to bring TheFertilizer in to wing and hooked(?) a 3 set by the corner, then the light changed. Instead of following or bringing in my wing earlier I just asked if they wanted to come have lunch with us instead. They said thank you but no and started walking across the street. Winged on a trash girl for TheFertilizer for about 5 or 10 minutes in the mall, kept her interested and laughing mostly, but I could do a lot better. 2 set by subway we could have pushed for isolation a lot sooner, was a short set but I could have gotten more compliance with more DHVs and comfort sooner, but I was interested in her biology work. WC closed but pretty low compliance. Kane opened a 4 set walking by while TheFertilizer was doing something, we started talking and TheFertilizer came in slightly later. I pushed a joke about being Korean too long with the unattractive girl I was with, she didn't like that and compliance dropped after that significantly, duh Ditto. Other interesting things from that set were that TheFertilizer and Kane bounced back the odd girl out both running a "2 set" on and off and keeping her entertained. They also managed to work around opposite each other and get pretty good isolation on a set that did not want to isolate. After TheFertilizer left, I opened a few more girls. One notable one was a short ABC dressed in workout clothes. I didn't want to open her at first but Kane said to just do it. I opened with the I think you're cute and if I remember correctly there was some resistance to that. She kept backing away slightly at first. I learned soon that she was from LA and liked it way better, but was doing marketing or something in Shanghai. I didn't readjust for a western girl and just kept showing interest and trying for qualification and DHVs. I was not really enjoying the set much because she was pretty full of herself and I didn't find her very interesting, which is awful because I am naturally drawn to the interesting people. Found out she was waiting for a cab about 5 minutes out. Tried to wechat close and said next time she's in Shanghai we could meet, she refused, which threw me because I immediately wanted to stay "you aren't even close to good enough to be acting like you're hot shit." But I tried a couple more times to justify getting her WeChat instead. She left. I definitely need to just focus on more DHVs and maybe less positive body language with western girls. Also Kane mentioned earlier that I should watch TheFertilizer and how calibrated he is to the energy level and body language of the girl when he opens, so I need to work on that too. Last notable open was a girl that at first sight I thought to easily be an 8 walking reasonably fast by us. I got well in front of her at Kane's behest and did the stop I think you're cute open. She stopped and was quizzical. I complimented her clothes and her skirt. I asked if she was meeting friends tonight. She's going on a date. I used TheFertilizer's line, "That's okay I'm not jealous" and asked if it was her boyfriend. No. Okay, well give me your WeChat before you go and next time we can go on a date. I don't even know you. I'm Ditto, I'm from San Diego, I like long walks on the beach, looooooong walks. She laughs. You know me better now! We exchange a couple more words and she gives me her WeChat. Turns out she's a conservative medical student and serious about only dating one person, but has expressed that she finds me attractive over messaging and is open to me waiting to see what happens with her(after some convincing). Fine by me, I'm actually really interested in this girl, though she'd probably be long game game. FR Sun 21 OCT I guess I should actually start giving the recurring girls HB names Had a d2 planned for the milf who I opened for her orange workout clothes in xtd, heretofore known as HB SpasticDancerMilf. It was raining and she was finishing an event she was working at late, so I let her decide when to meet and eventually let her change the location a few times, big mistake in hindsight, though just waiting for her to finish while waiting in one place is shitty too. I spend too much time trying to hold position but I have no cell signal, location sharing isn't working. She ends up cancelling and suggesting tomorrow after about 20 minutes, saying she's too tired. Opened sets going to and from, one notable one. Opened a 3 set of models working at the budweiser/fashion week event in xtd. Was unhappy about HB SpasticDancerMilf cancelling so I wanted to cheer myself up lol. Opened the set with "what is this? I see you all decided to wear matching outfits." There's one who speaks good English, I end up talking to her and her coworkers go and giggle alone after a while. I run comfort and attraction for about 10 minutes, doing the how long can I hold this handshake (about 2 minutes) and find out she's a lesbian but she gives me her WeChat anyway. I then go and get the cute one's WeChat and she easily obliges with a smile and an "I don't speak English." So I say some funny things in Chinese and she laughs and says it's nice to meet me. I ask her to come to a movie date with me that night, she's cute but not better than your average cute girl so I wasn't worried about getting blown out. I also am pretty immune to the word model after my highschool girlfriend, who people thought was hot just because she was a model. I also find out a few days later that this girl is engaged haha. FR Mon 22 OCT At this point I've been pushing pretty hard to get girls to meet me late at night, many have been unhappy to, a lot of them I learned actually because I was using the word date. Oops, bad word in China. D2 HB SpasticDancerGirl I go to meet HB SpasticDancerMilf and she's running me all around the city. I go with it at first because I'm not thinking straight and engaging myself in this fantasy that I'm a secret agent being run around the city to meet with a defecting foreign national. After a while I come to my senses and tell her I will wait right where I said I would, and she will meet me there. I give more detailed directions when she says I should go somewhere else because it makes more sense. She is actually escorted over by a guy that I asked if he had seen her. She speaks zero English but is excited to see me and jumps all around and gets loudly excited that "my chinese is so good." I really need to stop using all my Chinese so fast on the d2s with girls who don't speak, they get lulled into this sense that I can understand them and it backfires. Even though I meet her, she takes us to these two overpriced steak restaurants, I pick one because she's indecisive and looks at me to do it. Their food wasn't even good but oh well. I sit next to her on the bench. I say she can either sit in the chair across or sit next to me when she protests. I scoot closer and she's okay with it and then not, back and forth. She's just always doing something frivolous, no wonder she is always too tired to meet late at night. She wants to stand up and do the waltz in the restaurant. She repeatedly stops, lets go and makes us start over. At the end of dinner she expects me to pay for the meal when she ordered 3/4 of it by price, disqualified her immediately for lack of showing effort and the implied frame of her using me. I get lucky that my alipay doesn't work so I pay half in cash and tell her she has to come get the rest from me. I push for her to come back to my place to watch a movie (that I didn't seed) and get her money. No, she's got work tomorrow. I spank her when she makes a face at me and send her off. I decided that she's getting downgraded to direct home invites but she keeps telling me that I should tell her when I get back to Shanghai. Open a few sets on the way there, none of note. FR Tue 23 OCT D4 HB BathroomFriendGirl HB BathroomFriendGirl actually messaged me Monday night saying we should go to the DisneyStore to get my mom her shirts, and the biggest Starbucks (both things seeded d1 I believe.) I say sure that sounds great. She has to get a physical or something so she's closer to the city center. I tell her to meet at Jing'an and we can go to Cantonese or Hotpot, at this point I'm pretty over letting girls choose places because 1. they are usually overpriced for the quality and 2. BECAUSE I'M SUPPOSED TO LEAD, I don't know how I let that slip so much. I meet her and see the temple, I have us go look in the gate quick even though she's hungry and seed that I'd like to go see it. We walk towards cantonese and tell her if I see something on the way we'll go there instead. I see a japanese place that looks good, lucky me it was. We have lunch, I do much better sexual state projection but never pull her into it really hard, she seems to slow down and get into it but then go "you don't understand my English do you." I try to reassure her her English is fine, I just like looking at her. I also see some of the pictures she had on her wechat timeline on her phone while she's translating something, I tell her to send them to me, because it's only okay if she sends them, she questions but complies easily. My idea was to associate good feelings with her sending me pictures of herself, I think it helped. We go towards the Disney store and it's tiny and has nothing, we smell the weird stuffed animals that smell and make jokes. Then we go to Starbucks and she takes some pictures of me so I can show my family. Then we take a couple together with her version of Meitu which she gives up on because the creepy cute stuff on girls makes me look like some kind of demon spawn. She has been complaining that "we don't act so close in China, and I shouldn't lead her around by the back" though she clearly appreciates it sometimes. I tell her that that's just what I'm used to. I should have mentioned the couples I see openly making out and holding hands. After Starbucks we go past the Disney store again and I stop quick and try to get her a 50 kuai little thing, figure it's something she'd have to think of me by, she strongly refuses many times. We go for ice cream where I remember to do the bs palm reading and "You're going to have 9 kids" bit. It goes well. On the way back I do the marriage routine and she's resistant but I just push through it and keep insisting, when I get to the end and say we get divorced she didn't seem relieved at all haha. We take a couple pictures with new filters(?) she's found and I snap a few because she has me hold the phone, and on the third one I squeeze her ass and try to get it in the picture. No visible response, she just keeps smiling. I laugh and tell her I wanted a picture of her reaction. We finally leave by Subway after 3 and a half hours and she seems very happy. When I get off the subway I say goodbye just before the train stops all the way and bump into a lady, HB BathroomFriendGirl looks embarassed, I grin and wave on the way out anyway. So much for a good final experience though. I text her about a few things from the date and then when she seems somewhat less excited than I expected (might be confirmation bias from the last part of the interaction) I text her that she has a nice butt by the way. She says leave me alone! I laugh and tell her it's funny she didn't react, but she really does. She gets past the complaints pretty quickly but is still less compliant when texting than I'd like. -This is not that I like texting, just that it's hard for me to judge if she's unhappy or just not texting because she really doesn't text much. FR Wed 24 OCT Opened one girl in the waiguo ren line at the airport, she's a pretty decent 7 or 8 and I just made a joke about her safety pins and that she was in Shanghai for fashion week. She was. Sister in LA, she is going to Vietnam. Should have number closed after security but I booked it for the gate instead even though I could have spared a few minutes easily. Missed chances. Opened another girl after the flight that I wasn't sure if it was saftey pin girl and I just misremembered how hot she was. I'm blind, turns out it was a milf but I said hi anyway. She asks if anything was wrong with her clothes and I say "yeah it's terrible" laugh, explain the safety pin girl, and lift her jacket to see if she has the saftey pins too. Reopen her twice, once in security and again at a store and wechat close her after a few more minutes of comfort and attraction because why not. After I get off the plane we stop at Costco for gas and food, I see a pretty cute girl standing near the exit who clearly works there. I ask what she's doing there. Selling heating and AC. "Oh haha, you are actually selling something" she giggles as I continue to walk past. Even though my mother was with me and I was in a daze, I should have asked for her number anyway. At least it was good for my confidence though. I should really not write up so much at once, it ends up being way too long and I worry I miss some important details regardless. Side note, maybe it's just me but I like the female security guards' bodies a lot of the time, maybe I need to find a way to open them haha! 5 Things I did well: -I remembered to sexualize after d1s -I am making an effort to subtly RPQ influence the girls -I pushed for the girls to stay out longer than they said they would -I did more and more fluid comfort stories -I usually remember to kino everyone so that it doesn't look suspicious when I do it to my target 5 Things I will improve: -I will remember to lead the interaction barring considerably unordinary circumstances -I will try to push through fluff talk for more attraction, qualification, and comfort -I will keep conscious of my state and not do quite so much testing (especially in the texting area) on girls I am interested in trying to reg -I will make a conscious effort to calibrate myself to the girl's body language and energy level -I will try to make more life ads when I go out 5 realizations: -Opening girls in the middle of the subway train results in a lot lower compliance than when they are leaning against one of the doors -I really need to find things I like to do in the city like sports, paintballing, weird bouncehouses, places that I can go that make me feel less like I'm stuck in a mass of just restaurants, traffic, and girls. -I need to play down my Chinese ability at the beginning of the D2 as well as the D1 -I should probably go back over some of the dating habits I learned in high school, like looking at how to remove the girl's clothing before we got to the theater, or denying her something or getting her something without making it seem like an ordeal -I need to focus on how to progress the sarge much faster and more smoothly, because an average of not even close to closing on the D4 is not where I want to be.
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It was a full body hug, I think. It was standing straight up, she wasn't wrapping her legs around me or anything Ah okay I will definitely use the one night stands line next time Okay because my mother and grandma both do the same thing and I wasn't sure if it was an attempt to ruin her being sexy Thanks! It felt pretty good after I did it haha Oh that's what I meant to say, but yeah I will definitely be looking to bounce girls for isolation much earlier in the set now, especially in a place like that I totally forgot the detail that another guy managed to tag along as we were leaving. But yes that's an excellent point, I should have tried rather than just assuming she wanted to be in the group. AH, just like "you looked like you were having a lot of fun in the water fountain for kids" kind of thing right? I tried this with Scotland girl today and it went over really well. Thanks! THAT is a great line that I can't believe I didn't use haha. Next time I will start by asking the mom the questions that can be answered by anyone, open the set! Though she didn't speak English so I could have the daughter translate if she isn't already. Use the "your sister is really x." And if she gives me an easy one like saying ok to me finding her in Beijing, I'll ask for her wechat again and explain that it's because I have to use it to find her. Thanks! And the feedback helps immensely I feel pretty dumb for not trying to do this sooner haha!
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FR Tuesday 16 OCT D2 with a girl I opened in the subway on the way to meet Kane. Made a silly comment from a bit behind her, and she started hurrying up like she was trying to run, so I told her she didn't have to speed up and started asking where she learned English. Set D2 for noon and double checked the night before and day of, she was still an hour late because of work. Oh well, I had time to open a few sets and find the restaurant. Plan was park -> talk and build rapport -> restaurant -> possibly try to push for a movie She arrives and I intentionally wait a minute before meeting her at the station (I was in set with some girls working at an English center anyway) She's happy to see me. Hug, easy because she went to school in Scotland. Walk to my new favorite ramen shop. She's very kino compliant, though I am BT spiking and doing qualification and comfort, the flow isn't amazing so I didn't try really pushing the kino by spanking her or anything. I make a comment about some yellow reflector strips on a car stopped at a light, she says I should ask them, so I do for about 30 seconds, seemed like a good BT spike/ illogical frame to open up. Take her and run through one of those kiddie things that squirts water out of the ground. She does all kinds of sports and has a nice body, but not great makeup. That can be trained though I figure. She doesn't want to get married or have kids until much later, I assume this is good. We talked about how some people get married so young, I say "maybe it was for the sex, my first gf was definitely ready to get married but maybe it wasn't just because of the sex"(it definitely wasn't, but I was trying to somewhat subtly lay a 'I know what I'm doing' frame down.) She says you have to be careful of STD's, all I can reply with is yeah but you can prevent all but herpes with a condom. At the restaurant the food is great as always, and she likes it and Japan. I do the eliciting values routine from the black book and kino. All goes well, except my ability to have a constant flow of conversation (I pause reasonably often and have to think) but at one point she tells me this story about how she had ramen and had intense diarrhea for a week. I tell her she's not supposed to tell me that kind of stuff but she persists. How do you deal with this? And it seems like this can be both a shit test and just behavior that I'd want to negatively reinforce. Though I don't have much idea how to deal with both at once. D2 went well, ended before movie because she had to go meet a student and travel to her home outside shanghai so I took her to the xtd taxi rank Opened one 1 set after Came back to the hostel and saw a girl who had an awesome looking rack in the bathroom washing her hands or something, so I went to wash my hands then decided fuck it and walked into the door of the girls bathroom to tell her I thought her scarf matched her look really well. She was responsive and actually walked over the few feet to let me touch it, she actually speaks pretty good English. BT spike, kino, all the easy stuff for me and we walk over near her room and keep talking. I think she had to get something or wanted to show me (I REALLY should have tried to isolate here.) Soon 4 other guys were trying to join in and talk to the girl. I responded by being friendly to all of them but turning back to her regularly and asking comfort and qualification questions and kinoing by feeling the scarf she now wrapped around her hands. I eventually figure out she's far less kino compliant in front of a lot of people, but at this point she's enjoying our hands touching and my other kino. Set ended up 5 hours long before she went to sleep. It just felt really good that all the other guys were coming out of the woodwork to try and talk to this girl (understandably, she knows how to dress quite well) and none of them had enough game to get her to turn her attention to them for much longer than their questions lasted. Seeded my xtd ramen shop, running, meditation, her coming to visit California or Japan. Bounced her to the supermarket to help me buy water and snacks after she had left to her room at one point when there were too many guys and we were all playing pool and darts. Roommate plays guitar well, she was super into it, and even said how awesome she thought being able to play guitar was. However she only smiled at me the whole time, probably because I had built enough rapport with my roommate that he was playing the guitar for me to show me songs he knew. Tried time bridging for ramen the next day, she said she had work and couldn't tell when. So I said she should message me when she's done and we can go. Wednesday 17 OCT D2 with girl from last night Ran into her at the free breakfast, watching one of her drama shows. She sticks around for about 5 minutes and I get some kino and BT spikes in. Happen to catch her around 3 hours later and I say is she done with her work. No, she fell asleep, but do I want to go in about 45 minutes and is it close? Okay, and only a 15 minute subway ride (with a 15 to 20 minute walk haha) Meet her right on time, she is much more kino compliant without too many people watching. Do eliciting values again with the intent to do marriage routine later. She doesn't really understand super well but it still goes over pretty well and she at least laughs. Do a lot of DHVs and try qualification and comfort on the ride and walk over. Today I'm even worse than yesterday and I pause often between thoughts, fluff talk and my next step in the sarge are escaping me. She seeds going to the biggest starbucks in the world, ice cream, and boba. Cool. She wants to fix her computer because it is slow so I offer to do that first. No, food first is okay. Didn't kino a ton during the first part of the date, but got to the point where I was squeezing her thighs often in the restaurant, and stroking the exposed skin on her arms. Tried Kane's advice about doing the Italian thing and showing more emotion when I talk about things that can be emotional. I talked about how I was so engrossed with science as a child that I couldn't interact with other kids well, and did the frowning face bit. Holy shit, her body language immediately got even warmer and she tried to tell me how great she thought it was that I like science LOL. Thanks Kane. Japanese restaurant owner kinda gave me a bit of an amused/confused look as I saw it. Sadly it's a small shop and they remember me from when I came by myself. She jokes around with the guy taking orders and everyone seems happy. I continue just trying to do qualification and comfort. I touch her necklace and ask if she likes wearing chokers. She translates, laughs and says yeah I wear them sometimes they're sexy. I laugh, say yeah they are, and squeeze her thigh tightly. Then I go on to say that I wish everyone could wear them because they're practical in swordfights as a silly BT spike, though that probably ruined the positive reinforcement that I'd just made for her wearing chokers. After dinner I ask what time tomorrow she can go out, she says every day she doesn't know when she has to work. So I have to ask you out every day? Yes (smile). Okay, I don't like it but I'll do it. Also she said a few times, maybe next time we can bring more friends, or 'we're good friends so we can share food.' I said no, just you and me, it's better. Okay to the food, but when she offered to pay half I said no, you don't let a girl pay when you take her on a date. It seemed like she was really testing if I liked her which means I probably need to do way more statements of interest. At the end of the d2 I show her to the apple store to see if we can get her computer fixed but she gets another text from her boss, this one says he's nearby and wants to talk about work. She just got the job and starts next week so apparently there's a lot of training and logistics to figure out. I say okay, work is important, give her a hug and continue on rebuffing her be careful with an "I don't need to be careful, I'm invincible! (or tough, something along those lines)" Sent her a message right after saying that I had a great time and want to see her again Opened 3 sets Girl and her mom walking out of Shanghai fashion week, everyone's chasing her taking pictures and heads are turning. She's got a lacey shirtpant thing that shows quite a lot. Ask her what to do about the Chinese guy chasing me trying to get me to buy a ticket (of whom I had been enjoying messing with telling him I'd pay 23 kuai and going down from there.) She says count to 3 and run. I laugh, that seems like a good plan. So what is this fiasco anyway? Shanghai fashion week. But what do they do? Models and something blah blah. Oh you're a model! No just working there! *kino* Haha well you can't blame me for thinking it. (Not talking to the mom nearly enough) we get to the corner and they're trying to leave. I ask the mom in chinese if I can have her daughter's wechat. She says nope. I laugh and say please. She's from Beijing. Okay then next time I'm in Beijing I'll find you. Haha okay. I walk off like a retard, I definitely could have kept trying. Girl's shirt says GROWL on the back. I open from the back, do you growl often? She ignores me, I plow for about 30 meters with no result and laugh at myself for being in too much of a hurry to open. Stop and look quizically at a girl who is playing with a mandolin at the hostel. HB 5 but it wasn't even meant to be an open really. She laughs. I ask if she's learning. No, this is her friend's, how long am I staying. Tomorrow I leave. Her English isn't bad but not great, that's sad then I can't see you again. I'm coming back in a couple months, and I'm not leaving Shanghai. She doesn't understand that I'm staying in Shanghai and seems kinda dejected even though we just met 30 seconds ago. I say she can come with me, she can't because she works at the hostel. I get her wechat and say I'll tell her when I'm around. Meet her later and she understands I'll still be in Shanghai now. Maybe I should see how keen she is over chat. Things I did well: Planning and using the same d2 plan so I can troubleshoot Got girls to go out over text! Remembered to do more qualification and comfort Getting a lot better at being confident in my cold approaches Tried to show some emotion, even if it was largely contrived Things I will do better: I will make kino more natural for me so I can do it without thinking about where to kino next I will try to push, even if softly, for girls to stay out longer to add value to them I will GET BETTER AT FIGURING OUT LOGISTICS I will maintain better posture in public. (the crazy guys at fashion week took pictures of me being silly and I felt like I was slouching) I will do the RPQ walk where I continue to walk forward and turn my torso to talk to people behind me, instead of pretending I'm in gym class Realizations Girls really love thinking they have an impact on you Statements of interest are important Kino in public seems to be awkward for Chinese girls but they usually go along with it anyway Chinese guys get suspicious even seeing you talk to a lot of girls apparently, even if you aren't kinoing hard Working a 3 set where multiple girls seem really interested is hard because they dislike it when you give the others attention.
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Gotcha, that does seem like a good plan! OH, okay so I'll try to tune that based on the girl's attitude and what it seems like her frames about guys liking her are. I just remember in one of the chats it was recommended to always have a time constraint, that way I could push it back and give them value by doing so. Though it seems that this may be best implemented if I mention the time constraint before the date, and only on girls who don't seem really keen. My adventurousness qualifiers are. Does she like/what does she think about: skydiving, scuba diving, going new places without a plan, and backpacking. At a lower level I ask about if they like swimming or running, I actually often get "I'm afraid of water" Oh, because a lot of people seem to like to use WeChat to translate. So it's not uncommon for them to switch between a translator and showing me the screen, and sending wechat messages that you can translate, where they can add stickers and whatnot
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FR D2 Muslim girl What are chinese muslims usually like in the willingness to bang department? It's killing me because she has a nice body and seems to want to meet me, but I don't know how I should be playing it. Maybe I should just ask what her religion requires and know what I'm dealing with? Or spend the time and try to build comfort and possibly get shut down anyway while escalating. This is the girl that was late because I didn't ask her to confirm she understood it was at 3pm. Got to the station and waited at the exit for a reply, tried to message some other girls to see if I could get them looking at their phones if this girl flaked and I wanted to try and get them out. She replied that she was on her way, so I went to look for the ramen place with good reviews on apple maps. Either none of the people working where it should be have ever seen it, or it has closed down. She arrived. Was waiting at the exit again bc I told her to text when she was close. Tried for a hug because she was very kino compliant the other night, probably went too fast. She hesitated and drew back a bit so I just picked her up, lifted her to the top stair, and laughed. I tried asking a couple people on the way, including a lady working in a Japan health first restaurant where it was, they pointed in a direction opposite the map, so we walked. Eventually I decided we should just go find somewhere and happened to ask and find a sushi place. Kino on the way over was all leading her by the lower back on and off. She walked behind me by a half step almost the whole way, think she was feeling bad about the mixup in times. Over text she said "sorry to have kept you waiting" before arriving and I tried not to reinforce the behavior by saying it's fine, but just told her where to meet me. At the restaurant I told her I had to meet my friends in 2 hours, should probably have said that over text because she looked kind of slighted, possibly misattribution. We ordered, and my Chinese today was not flowing off the top of my head very well. Lots of translator. BT spikes, scooted next to her so our legs were touching. She scooted away a few times and I'd just wait and get close again later. She said she couldn't eat much so I used it as an excuse to kino her stomach and took her hand and had her feel mine lol. She seemed to like that. But throughout dinner she was relatively distant, I tried starting qualification and instead got into some comfort stories about my childhood. PROBABLY NEED TO QUALIFY MORE, she's doesn't swim and is afraid of heights though. Should have remembered to talk about the anime she was watching because my adventerousness qualifiers fell through. Communication was slow and she said I should eat instead of talking so much. After dinner I paid and asked if we could go out on the terrace. She let me lead her by the hand to some part that was overgrown because I wanted to see what was there. Turns out she messaged me on wechat (in person before dinner ended) that she was meeting her friends and needed to get back to the hotel, but my phone had bad connection and I didn't check until after the D2. Walked her back, relatively uneventful with me mostly stumbling over my words and bad google translations. She told me "No!" when I slipped my thumb in the 'fashion belt' around her waist, she had a dresspants thing on. I think she just felt like she had to slow me down somehow Realizations: I really need to work on my chinese, and though being in set with chinese girls who speak no English works for that, it isn't super fast and I should spend more time studying on my own I need to try harder to qualify or girls will probably continue to seem to slowly lose interest Having cute girls smile at you while you're on a D2 can cause at least a small increase in compliance
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Thanks! I'll figure out how to be more succint the more I do this I think hah. Writing FR's really does help me think about my sets more, and realize really how much I just fall into the trap of not trying to push one of the five parts of the sarge.
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So I am writing this as a "daily" FR similar to the Animal's challenges, just without the actual challenge. Saturday 13 OCT Stayed up until 7am to catch the train back to Shanghai, slept for about 5 hours on train. Got the the hostel around 3, met my 70 year old roommate who was intent on teaching me advanced Chinese, ran about 50 minutes in the dark, so I was in a good mood Running buddy turned to go home, I passed a 2 set that looked cute, ran another few hundred meters and decided to not be a bitch and turned around to open them. Jogged just past them, they weren't that cute, opened with "hey, I just passed you going the other way and had to come back and talk to you" Set lasted 5 minutes, tried to push for wechat early, forgot to get logistics early on. Said she doesn't use wechat, replied "wow you're the only person in China that doesn't! That's crazy!" How about qq? No. Good me neither. Had to wipe sweat out of my eyes about 20 times. Set also tried to walk away 3 or 4 times throughout, at first I blocked them, then I stood there and just talked loudly. Mostly BT spikes and minor arm kino when they laughed. Tried to engage the obstacle by asking questions about her friend. Eventually the obstacle somehow told the target to give me her wechat lol. I took a picture of her qr code. Said, why don't we get dinner tomorrow --in bad Chinese. Found out they were from out of town, leaving the next morning, and already on their way to dinner. Said okay, then we'll have dinner the next time I'm near there. Ejected with a smile and wave, continued run Second set walked past me failing at pull ups and panting (lol), looked like a nice body, turned around and saw her watching me. She jumped a little when I saw her and promptly left. I finished bar dips and ran her direction, found her on the stairs walking her dog. A little hazy, think I used a direct opener. BT spiked, kinoed a decent amount, stroked her forearm at one point for no reason. pet her dog. She speaks nearly zero English, I made do with the Chinese I've got. A 4-5 minute set, got her wechat and said we should go out, she has to deal with work, but said we have wechat we can figure out a time. Third set, opened a girl making 'convenient noodles.' Sat down with her, kinoed a lot and BT spiked, after she made her noodles she wanted me to try some, so I got her to feed them to me. She also speaks very little English so we communicated in mostly Chinese, she started using her translator after a while and I'd respond in simple Chinese. About 15 minutes in she said she was going to see her friend. I said I could come too, that sounds fun. Her friend is a guy, and she seems to have to googoo eyes for him, so I say hi, compliment his hat and wristband. I tone down the kino in front of him as I'd been touching a LOT. Ended up complimenting the guy more and gaining compliance from him, and doing comfort and (not enough) qualification with the girl. I stay in set about 3.5-4 hours, we go to the store and then noodles while I get them to translate things in Chinese for me. At one point the guy is playing a game and I am rubbing the inside of the girl's thigh and she finally shuts me down by grabbing my hand, albeit gently. Later in the night the guy tries to awkwardly kino by rubbing her upper back and gets shut down fast. Eventually girl says she's going to sleep and they say goodnight. Fourth set, about 45-60 min, girl sitting at the same table as I walk back from saying goodnight, she's watching anime. I just pull up a chair in plain view and say, "what are we watching? " She laughs, and tells me. She ALSO speaks no English, what a day. BT spikes, comfort about jobs and where we're from, no qualification. Early and often kino, forgot to do two steps forward one step back. Was kinoing her face and with my thumb running inside the neck of her shirt on the back. Set 3 actually came back downstairs carrying a cat, I laughed and said hi, asked if it was theirs. No. Cat ran away from them when they set it down. Talked to the guy a bit and they left. Went to go pet the cat, girl joins me. I laugh and say it really wants beef. She goes and gets some, and we feed the cat, kino her some. Talk some more and she says she should sleep. Sunday 14 OCT Went to a mcdonald's on my way back from the store, at night, I am covered in massive bug bites from last night but oh well. MILF starts looking at me as I eat, I smile. Finish my food, walk over and do the hand of god opener without talking, try to engage the rest of the 4 set by shooting them a goofy smile. Try the only goofy sign language that I could come up with, pointing at my head, then her, heart, me. They heard me talking to the lady who took my tray from me and were laughing confused, so I bitched out and just said "I think you're cute, can I get your wechat?" said I liked one lady's silly shirt. They offered me a seat but I said "I want to run," not sure if it was "I want to go running," or "I need to run though" but they said "oh ok!" I smiled, waved and left. Things I did well: Kino early, and getting calibrated enough to preempt getting shut down usually Approaching when I don't feel like it Got out of my own head some and stopped thinking so much about what to say Used my Mandarin knowledge creatively to BT spike and make intelligible statements Kino felt more natural and less forced Things I will improve: I will get back into my head just enough to remember to add in qualification and comfort rather than just talking aimlessly I will continue improving my chinese I will start ejecting sooner if I don't like a set and don't think the practice is helpful I will relax and enjoy myself more when in set with girls I don't find attractive, so I can wing better I will start opening more of the hot girls I see that are out of the way so I can get practice! Realizations: Great game may seem super natural, but mine doesn't yet Normal people have parts of their game figured out, but often make huge mistakes too Having everyone you pass like you gives its own form of social proof, increases compliance Kinoing aggressively but naturally seems to make girls more likely to return kino
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Haha don't try to butter me up! But yeah that set was super fun, and the sex seminar was everything I could have hoped and more lol. I don't know about daily but yeah I'll start a thread about my approaches because I really could benefit from feedback rather than just trying to calibrate off what I remember at the time!
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So it seems like I should note how and why I decided to take this bootcamp when I don't currently live in Asia. Long story short, I got to Japan on a family vacation and saw a bunch of cute girls there, and thinking back to every other (failed) attempt to ask girls on dates in my life, I looked for inspiration online, and for a place that girls went to "get met" as is a typical social requirement of California. I found RPQ's posts on pickupasia and really liked the way he delivered information with evidence to back it up, unlike most things I'd read from pickup artists in the past. Just to attempt to explain how weird this was for me, my family thinks it's a big deal when my cousin got a boyfriend after being in Australia for months. I did this to break the long line of men in my family who couldn't open a girl well if there was a gun to their head. So during a visit to Tokyo Disneyland with my family, I told them I was going out for a run and snuck out to do the screening phone call with RPQ over bad hotel wifi on Line chat. I half believed I was being scammed up until I met everyone in person because seriously, who could have possibly figured out how women think, right? After reading the fashion primer I bought a 7 dollar shirt and some blue slacks from Don Quijote the thrift store to replace my standard, function only, cargo pants wardrobe. Day 1 - Night game I don't know if we use names on the forums and none of my bootcamp mates have pseudonyms that I know so I will use letters We met in a cheap restaurant frequented by families and high school students. RPQ and TJ were already there. I had read the black book a time and a half and almost nothing was going through my head but "stay calm or you'll do that twitching shit with your face and girls will get weirded out." Out of my comfort zone is one of my favorite places, but that doesn't mean I'm any good at being there. The Touch would soon arrive and we'd begin going over the first lesson: the parts of the sarge, logistics, and how to do opening and attraction. During dinner RPQ opened the girls across from us and had them giggling with some silly faces, that much seemed possible, "but don't do that twitching shit, don't." @ladysman6969 made a quick appearance to say hi, and that we'd be meeting him through the night. It was decided we'd go to a bar first. On the walk up the silent battle of nerves continued. This is a bar? It spills right out into what looks like a nice hotel corridor. The first set is a blur in my memory, I believe it was a girl and her mom sitting at a table, I ejected early because my social abilities couldn't take me past "do you like this place?" The second set spoke pretty good English and the girl more or less isolated herself for me, I think she was with friends and I did not hook the set like I was supposed to. A little talking about how she went to Yale or Caltech and no BT spikes or qualification. We made two rounds of the bar and left for A-life where we met Prime, who gave us packs of gum so our throats wouldn't get too sore from all the yelling (I recently finished that by the way and it helped a ton, thanks!) My first time in a club and the nerves hadn't gotten to me one bit. I fought to hear RPQ's brief over the "STAY CALM DAMNIT." RPQ points to a three set sitting on a bench near the bar, "go tell her 'your bag is SO big, you must be really strong!' and motion like this, go." I walk the step and a half towards them and try the seemingly ridiculous opener, they giggle. I find out it's just the three of them. RPQ either has to send in my wing for me or remind me to. "Who's the bad girl?" Am I supposed to know that? "This is the bad girl!" I say, pointing to the one closest to me so I don't have to think about maneuvering, leaving precious cycles for my social skills that are hitting all kinds of memory faults. I run the set terribly, running no attraction and going straight to comfort with the sweet innocent looking Japanese girl who just smiles and is happy for the attention. RPQ pulls us out of the set. What just happened? Time for another, my wing and I exchange smiles acknowledging that it could have gone a lot worse. AA starts to set in, can I really do that again? I'm loving the adrenaline on the other hand which is almost worth it in and of itself. @ladysman6969 is walking by us yelling, "Open, open, open!" RPQ turns to me and points at a girl, "Go tell her ..." I ready myself and start the opener, getting immediately blown out. Okay, that's supposed to happen sometimes. I see a girl who looks like she's about to throw up, perfect! Maybe I can go give her basic medical aid or at least offer to get her to a chair, she needs wa.. "DAIJOBU"(She's fuckin fine mate) the four foot tall friend intercepts me with a surprising amount of force "Wait but she looks.." "DAI JO BU." RPQ then had to explain to me what the 'terminator walk' is and how approaching girls like you're getting ready for a street fight isn't a good way to make them feel safe. Believe it or not this is a huge revelation for me. The night goes on, approach casually, not in a straight line. I eventually hook a reasonably attractive, tall girl. I'm talking about her job and how she manages mining investment portfolios for some huge company, is there with her coworkers, and likes playing golf. Probably about 15 minutes in, I'm talking to a girl! RPQ comes up, "what's cool about this girl?" and leaves. I stare blankly, wow, I don't think this girl is cool at all actually. It didn't hit me till later that it was because I needed to ask the questions that told me cool things about her. A few minutes more and I eject. RPQ has me try the "what animal is this?" opener on a sad looking girl whose friend is being hit on. Compliance is low, kino is still near nonexistant. I ask if she wants to go dance because I'm out of stuff to say and she leaves immediately when we get to the dance floor. We move to the top floor where the music is so loud that I can just barely project my voice enough for the girls to hear me. Sat in set with an older lady who liked rap music, ejected. Get instantly blown out on a two set by opening the hot girl. RPQ has us all open a big 5-8 set separately and we all exchange grins briefly. RPQ grabs my arms and places them on the girl's waist, she hardly flinches. Right kino is a thing, and wow, it's awesome. At one point Ladysman brings me in to wing on the obstacle in a 2 set, I forget to isolate and ruin the set. Felt bad. I get blown out quite a few times towards the end of the night and we go for the debrief. We pass the 'what animal is this girl' who had seemed entirely uninterested on the street and suddenly she had a huge smile and was waving like I'd just met a friend from high school. I still can't tell if that was social proof or she just realized noone else was hitting on her lol. Day 2 - Day game After a restful four and a half hours I was back on the metro to the day 2 lesson. I believe we talked about longer term logistics and more in depth about opening and attraction. Off to the plaza at the mall, our objective is to try and bounce sets to the Starbucks for coffee. My first set I think my new wing TT opens and we get blown out for no Japanese pretty quickly. RPQ sends me after a girl in a yukata to ask what's going on today, the set lasts for about 5 minutes with some okay BT spikes but I never transition her out of just being a really helpful person, despite a few "do you want to go to the festival with me later then?" attempts on my part. We go to the Starbucks because someone wanted to order coffee, I am in line and open some entirely unattractive girls, then buy a water and a donut because I felt the need to justify being in line. This immediately got a nasty look from RPQ who assured me that that's not why I was there, and nobody cared what I did anyway. I introduced the girls to my wing "these are my new friends." "What the fuck is that? Something gay shit they say in America? These are girls you want to bang, not your friends," was the gist of the chastisement I received for that less than alpha line. The AA for me and my wing is pretty bad most of the session. We approach and probably due mostly to our weak body language and openers get immediately told "I don't speak English." We start pulling out translators, and talking to sets that aren't at all up to our imagined low standards. We do end on a decently good note running separate sets all talking about the strange spider statue above us. After the debrief TT and I open a set behind us that had been smiling at us, my target starts taking a phone call almost immediately and we stay a bit for TT to practice. We open another set with two shy girls playing with boy idol group dolls. We stay in set for the sake of practice but mostly just get minor reactions and try to keep them interested. Night game We meet in a burger king to talk about deep comfort and sexualization. Having it proved to us that we don't know how to articulate the physical attributes of a sexual state at all, and RPQ makes everyone uncomfortable while talking to them seductively -- of course illustrating how you can copy a state or be in it. We go back to the same bar as night 1, I try to open a girl from a 2 set that a non PUA guy is already working on (talking to in drunk Japanese and looking pretty beta) he preferred talking to me and the girls left pretty quickly, it illustrated why we isolate quite well though. As I wandered around more Prime told me to come over and talk to this girl, she was not cute at all but would Prime wanted me to get past my problems with talking to girls and arguably self image, she would be sufficient to prove his point. Prime helped translate a lot for us, he'd tell me what to say, I'd say it, then he'd translate it to the girl LOL. He had all these cheesy lines like how she was a nurse and I had a broken heart that she could fix. He showed me what a good set could look like and by the end of about 15 minutes she was resting her head on my chest and occasionally reaching over to squeeze my ass. Seeing this opened my eyes to what I could do if I'd just learn the tools and get good at using them. RPQ broke half my frames about the world, and Prime just broke half of mine about myself haha. Thanks again brother. We went to 1OAK next, TJ successfully opened what looked to me like a difficult 3 set of married women who were actually kino compliant and fun to talk to, lasted about 10 minutes. Opened a 2 set with a very compliant girl and her unhappy yet cockblock-happy friend. Brought in my wing who had a hard time with the angry obstacle and eventually she took her friend away. Opened a nurse in a 2 set and used some of Prime's lines from not even an hour before, they worked again. It was a trip, managed to qualify a tiny bit, do comfort, attraction, and even seed going a few places. Her friend had to go to the bathroom, but I had her agree to meet me downstairs. RPQ said Line message them and say my friends wanted to continue exploring, so we continued. Opened a tall half russian girl who I totally would have gone for except she didn't align with any of my qualification questions, she stayed hooked for a while but as I ran out of things to talk about she said she had to use the bathroom and asked me to hold her drink. I didn't recognize this for a shit test until the next day and when she came back and saw me still holding it and talking to one of the guys she walked out to the dancefloor lol. Helped wing on a couple of obstacles but eventually just started opening a lot, and started actually enjoying just going for the hard looking opens and getting blown out. Opened a 3 set from the wrong side and got a lesson on opening the whole set and talking across them rather than starting by who I'm opening. Felt great as we left 1OAK for the debrief, even despite my 4 year gap in social interaction. On the way to the debrief RPQ opened a 2 set of hostesses, I sat there grinning like a moron just taking it all in, completely forgetting that I'm not supposed to distract the set yet. I'm called in to wing on the obstacle hostess and after a very brief bit of attraction and logistics discovery RPQ invites them to join us for breakfast. His target plants her feet and will not move, and we just go into the "come on why are you so slow?" bit. RPQ had explained this tactic to us so it seemed totally natural and I was having a great time, not even realizing that her action was a form of reticence at all, I just thought it was part of the game. It was the end of day 2 of bootcamp okay. We walked them to breakfast with a "it's not that far" and I mainly BT spiked with my nonexistent Japanese and RPQ did the "what do you think of this girl" and ran to get everyone else to catch up. Debrief was fun with the hostesses there even though I made my girl angry, I think by joking that her long painted nails were scary, and not reassuring her they were cute afterwards. Watching RPQ gain kino compliance in the two steps forward one step back manner until the hostess was okay, and eventually happy with him grabbing her face was amazing. Afterwards we walked the girls to the station and RPQ explained how the logistics could have worked if we wanted to try to home bounce them. This was easily the most exciting thing I had done in a long time, and I had just gotten my skydiving certification for shits and giggles. Day 3 - Day game The final day we met up at a vegetarian restaurant and discussed hero stories. At one point the waitress asked, "is everything okay?" RPQ answered, "yeah but it'd be better if you joined us." and motioned at a chair. The waitress giggled and might have given some excuse about having to work. I still want to try that one. RPQ set up at a table at Starbucks so we could bounce girls there if it was full. We started off in different directions to approach and still experiencing some AA I walked back and forth about twice before kicking myself and remembering I didn't have to have perfect conditions, that was the point. I opened a girl and talked with her for a while and she responded well even though I ran the set terribly, she was married of course. Got her Line anyway to prove to myself I could. I started approaching a bunch of walking sets that were going back and forth past the subway. One girl spoke very little English but we ended up playing rock paper scissors and I just tried to see how much incidental kino I could get in while I failed to think up things to say. She gave me her Line but said she had to go shop, never replied I think. I tried to find a shop to buy one of the Japanese sweat rags that everyone has since I was sweating buckets, and opened a few two sets on the way, none that agreed to a bounce. One kept walking as I talked lol. In the store I opened five or six sets with "that's cute" or "what tastes good" or "hey there can I help you." One was a set of keen girls that I remembered to ask if they were in high school finally. Yes. I ejected with a "I like your contacts" in broken Japanese. Never got a real sweatrag, but I opened some (probably) Yakuza members which was fun, they tried to tell me which drink they thought was good. I ran into TT again and we opened a few more sets in a dark alley which didn't go so well. After a few opens I saw a girl looking confused so I went and offered to guide her, despite not knowing where the hell I was. She said where she was going so I looked it up, and took her hand saying, "alright let's go!" She withdrew her hand, later I learned that was a bit much, but I kept to the rule of lead the girl. I took her to her 100 yen shop where we picked out a basket and some trinkets for her, doing BT spikes and comfort mostly. I convinced her to go to a Starbucks with me on the way back and I took her to the first one that I remembered passing. BT spiked by ordering 10 of the drink she wanted in Japanese I had her teach me in line (I previously said how many do you want? 10? 20? and she answered 10) Did some qualification and sexualization that she was reasonably receptive to. Had no idea when we were supposed to meet for the debrief because I manage to forget the important stuff, so RPQ called and told me to wrap it up haha. Told her we had to go and took her to the subway entrance, got her to give me a "kiss on the cheek" which was actually an inch away but she didn't outright refuse. The only thing I regret about the bootcamp is that I didn't take it 10 years sooner lol. The amount of time it would have taken to learn all the things I learned in 3 days on my own would have been immense. And even though I am nowhere near done, the difference in the capacity I have to approach girls still amazes me every time I think about it. I went from unable to express interest in girls that were basically throwing themselves at me a week before, to closing a girl from a gucci store who had no IOI's that I could see 3 days later. Apologies for the long winded FR, this was the track my mind had to take to remember what happened in reasonable detail 2 and a half months ago. I tried to leave out a lot of the superfluous stuff.