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Good idea to get to know about that in detail if I can! Thanks for the advice. You are right! Time to go out and crush it. Went out with Romeo and a guy from Japan yesterday & had good fun in Itaewon and Gangnam! My game is all rusty but my inner game improved a lot so approaching is generally no problem and I am kinda bulletproof against any girl attacks - I might have to think how to respond but it generally does not throw me off. I'd be probably more than happy to upgrade my "shield" with some crazy ass moves from chicas??? - give it to me baby, uhuhuh!???. Can't wait to get blown out in sets???1 point
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Sun 17 Feb ShinChoc and his french club promoter guy, as well as Limonaide and co. wanted to do some night game. We met at Playhouse at 11 or 12, moved to the area with all the clubs we visited during the sex seminar This was about half a week ago before I turned into a mess of phlegm and pain, I'm pretty sure I forgot a lot of the decent sets I had Playhouse I believe Limonaide and co. arrived first and we went in to open some before ShinChoc arrived. Limonaide wants me to open a set (thanks for keeping me always going man), and it looks like a 2 set, 3 or 4 minutes at the coat check probably. Handshakes and spins, bring in Limonaide quickly. FORGOT LOGISTICS DISCOVERY. My girl wechat closes me. We go in and I feel weird dancing again so I go open some sets that are dancing on the tall bench things, most don't really hook or I realize that upon her turning around, I'd rather pursue other sets. Might have had a couple decent opens on the dancefloor, I don't remember ShinChoc arrives and we go outside to talk a bit. He was the one who actually got me to do a dancing open during the sex seminar, and was pretty much my inspiration for my silly dance opens haha. Silly open a set or two. I find the 2 set from earlier, it's actually a 3 (5?) set with their friends, a couple, wandering in and out. My girl waves, I come back into set and proceed with the goofy dancing. Tonight there are actually a lot of drops in volume in the music, sometimes for effect, sometimes because they want to pretend everyone's singing even though the place isn't nearly that packed. I can actually hear her "you're really good at dancing!" I almost lose it laughing. Big body language and no regard for other peoples' opinions is apparently enough of an attraction trigger to seem good at dancing ?. Limonaide reopens his girl, Danny wants me to introduce him to the other girl (the one with the boyfriend, not the other single one, it was a weird situation or I hadn't understood the set yet) I yelled, "this is my other brother" and then pushed them both towards each other (this is in a line formation so it doesn't cut anyone off really Stay in this set 45 minutes to 1 hour+. Got a lot of IOI's from other girls during this set but I wanted to run it long. Danny comes up to me to suggest I isolate after probably 10 or 15 minutes. Right. I ask my girl if she wants to go somewhere we can hear better. I'm sweating so she thinks it's probably a good idea. We go to the bar and I get a water, I think I just ask for 2 without thinking and give her one haha. Limonaide and his friend come in with their respective girls (the other 2 single ones from the set.) Limonaide positions perfectly, his girl back to back with mine. I start with some small talk and that was fun and answering comfort questions while I wrack my brain trying to remember what my routine stack is. Decide to throw in some more DHV's because why not. She mentions a couple times that she's really attracted to me, I alternate between "I know" and "that's good, I like you too." She wants to try skydiving, don't know what other qualification I did. She kept asking to take pictures with me, and took some pictures of me dancing. I know now this is for her vlog (I assume this is fine right? As long as I don't set unrealistic expectations about being bf/gf?). Seed her visiting me in California, cat cafes, park on top of the mall. She asks how many girlfriends I have. 43. WHAT. Yeah! No just kidding none right now. After this I work in how I only like girls who like me, that all 3 of my long term girlfriends slept with me on the first or second date. A little while later she mentions how her last boyfriend cheated and that's why she's at the club. I say that's not okay, you have to at least be honest. Relationships are only good if everyone is keeping each other happy and they care for each other. (Is there a better response to this?) At a few points she talks about how cute she thinks some of the girls are, I try to encourage this. Asking which ones, nodding approvingly, and giving all the smiles and nice's I could. She wants to go dance some more, okay. They tell us 15 minutes before they're leaving at 2, I walk them out. Leading or pushing(directing) my girl if she gets ahead, though I should just lead harder instead of letting them discuss directions to escape the noise box. I take the time going to coat check to make a good last memory, and time bridge cat cafe on Wednesday. She was pretty kino compliant d1 even though I tried to keep from escalating too fast. I was thinking that I didn't want to trigger resistance when I was still adjusting to the environment and getting back into game. I started with the hands and arms, tickled her exposed sides and back sometimes, stuck some tissue paper I caught in the front of her pants, slid my hand up the back of her shirt once, but most kino was on the arms and when getting her to do a silly dance with me. Oh I guess I did spank her at one point, I must really have a thing for that ? Opened a decent amount more sets I think but none were super memorable, one time guys got up in my face and tried putting hands on me pushing my arms down (they couldn't they were either weak of body or spirit) while I tried to ask what the flashing pacifier shaped like a cat was in this one girl's mouth. After about a minute of this and a translation from Limonaide, I smiled and waved bye bye to the pacifier girl. Not sure if these guys were just drunk and belligerent, but even most of the guys who handle guys talking to their girls poorly handle it better than that haha. Or maybe they had seen me going around encroaching on peoples' table space? 5-15 mins. Open one 3 set dancing on a podium by jumping on the outside and pretending I am going to fall. I reach out, save me! Very little reaction. I laugh and say if they don't help me I'll be in trouble, not that they hear it. After a bit of determination I motion I'm coming inside, they let me. I push one like a klutz but more or less recover by helping her back up. I scoot them all over a bit since everyone's sitting on the railing. 3rd girl leaves, she's the one who doesn't want to have anything to do with guys opening her, how do these girls reproduce lol. Okay but seriously how do I open girls like these? Do you just open really softly, or maybe it has to seem a lot more natural? I just smile. Wing doesn't want to come in so I just run the set a while. Compliment one girl's choker. The other ones dress or something. They are both okay attractive and I can't decide, and in my late night mind I just decide to give both attention. At first they seem to feel awkward when I "switch targets" but then after a minute or two they're both smiling a lot and really enjoying it. I know this is only attraction but I wonder if you can keep that up haha. I decide to get more practice and eject. I kiss the hands of the two girls still there and wave goodbyes. Botch a couple opens, ShinChoc, Limonaide, and their friends are not in set either anymore, I ask if they want to head out. Sure. Jump back up and reopen the 3 set again because I thought it'd be better than walking by them. Third girl is back, unhappy lol. A guy turns around, forget what he does but doesn't like me there. Smile at him. Motion to see if ShinChoc wants to join. No. Take the 2 girls hands, shake, deep bow, offer hand to third girl, she moves her hands away before I can even get close. I make an "I didn't need you anyway" face and wave my hand between us. Other 2 think this is funny, but she actually seems kind of sad that I did that. I don't know what to make of this. New theory: she's actually waiting for more validation and wants to feel like the relationship is "natural." I don't know how to affect that though. Other clubs It was late so some of the clubs were outright dead or almost dead. Some really good tips for how to navigate them from ShinChoc though. Open with ShinChoc in a bouncing stage club was going really well until the boyfriend who was right there started trying to make himself known. Good BT spikes on her shirt. ShinChoc mentions after that I should point to myself and not at them when trying to reference something so I don't make them feel nervous. One open I open the guy and ask if the girl behind him is with him. No. He gets up. Took too long? She wants none of it, no English, no Chinese, she gets up and walks away. Last notable open is on a raised platform with a rail slightly higher than the dance floor. Girl is watching. I open poorly asking about her dress. Are you two here together. No. Very little more chat. She steps away. Okay, ShinChoc want a chance? Nah, go again. Hey so are you a princess or something? She walks away entirely. I try to open the other girl (who was actually her friend) She doesn't respond either. I go back after talking to ShinChoc a bit about where to go next. Before we leave he says open her again. I do, she still waves no but she's not actually leaving at this point hahaha. Left for the next venue and eventually did a debrief with ShinChoc over breakfast Things I did well: -I did whatever I wanted on the dance floor and it worked. Come to think of it I do whatever I want pretty well -I didn't hesitate to open at all that I can recall -I got a good timebridge that turned into a d2! -I ran a long set and never really lost too much momentum -I opened obstacles and made the friends like me Things I will improve: -I will always always ALWAYS remember to do logistics discovery early in set (this is basic optimization I can't believe I'm forgetting it) -I will find ways to use social proof even more effectively -I will focus a bit more on my kino escalation/calibration -I will stay in set a little longer in sets I'm not interested in so that it appears I am doing well to other girls who are observing -I will wear appropriate clothing outside and sleep and eat healthy so I don't get a shitty sickness while I should be gaming Realizations: -I have actually gotten a lot better at this! -Guys usually have no idea how to deal with another guy hitting on their girl for some reason, even if they hang out in places where it's hard to tell who's with who -Girls that dress well seem to be more responsive to being opened -Smiles while walking by seem to make opens easier, should have used that more -Other guys pushing you to open makes it a challenge and really makes AA pretty small1 point
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Sat 16 FEB Went to do nightgame with Limonaide and his friend. Shincoc was having a sleepover or something but we are excited to game with him next time haha! There were a lot of sets, and I didn't hook a lot of them well and ejected, none were truly getting blown out though. But for that reason there are probably a good 30-50% of opens that I totally forgot. Playhouse - big Chinese club with really loud edm music and is either dance floor or a sea of tables 2 min set, opened some girls playing a dice game at a table. Tried to get them to show me how to play, only really got 3 out of 4 of their attention initially. When I'd get one interested, I'd try to hook another, and the first would lose interest again. This went on for a bit, I tried to get Limonaide to open a different girl himself to effectively reduce the set size, but it still didn't hook Did some more opens that didn't hook because I felt like I was killing the mood by not jumping up and down to the music (everyone around us stopped lol) 5-8 minute set, realized that the only way I would really be able to open and get a reaction that wasn't frustration at barely being able to hear/understand my chinese or english was to open nonverbally. Opened HB Danson With a smile and the hand of god opener plus a spin. I opened her across the obstacle and the obstacles seemed happy but then repositioned themselves behind the target. I tried to grab Limonaide and his friend as wings a bit in but I don't think it stuck too well. Tried some loud communication and she was leaning in to talk to me, but I forgot all of the things we said. She convinced me to "dance" by just jumping up and down, and seemed happy when I complied after a couple tries. Everything was BT spikes and maybe a bit of comfort. Obstacles wanted to go get drinks so I did my best to help guide her through the crowd (from the back) and WC closed her at the bar before going back to the dance floor to optimize my time opening sets. 3-5 minute 3 set, all the girls were a bit standoffish but still interacting and smiling. Turns out it was a 6 set and they were with their boyfriends. Boyfriend 1 gave me a thumbs up or something at one point and I was like "yeah high five!" then later I think I reopened the set and the boyfriend made it clear they were together. Then he tried to get me to join him in the jumping, I signaled that I wouldn't, smiled, waved to them all and moved on. (I assume this was the right move, as letting some random guy lead me would be a DLV right?) 1 minute set, solo set seems interested and is pretty cute, but is telling me no she doesn't want to dance together or do any handshakes or the like. I keep seeing her while in other sets and she keeps looking at me but I don't know what to do. Probably should have invited her out to a quieter area. After that sets were more compliant as I was willing to "dance" and did entirely nonverbal openers for the most part. We made our way back and forth between sides of the dance floor and did some easy opens on the way for confidence and calibration. One 3 set that was actually pretty cute did the no thanks 2 handed wave and was persistent about not hooking even after a few spins and handshakes and other silly gestures I felt like doing at the time. 10-15 min set, We went outside to let our ear drums heal and for a quick chat about how to proceed. Limonaide opened a sitting 3 set with 1 guy. Opened across the guy and complimented him first, it was good. He brought me in to wing and I ran some BT spikes and comfort on the girl about where we lived and studied. Qualified her on her great drawing, that since I have no artistic ability I need someone who does to balance me out. (I was going to say so my kids can be talented at everything, but I'm still not sure if that's a really bad frame) I started losing momentum as I wasn't thinking at full speed and stopped thinking of things to say. BS palmreading fell through bc she actually knew how to palm read LOL. Limonaide and I discussed what to do across the set and decided to bounce them inside to dance and find their friends, their friends turned out to be guys and they invited us to their table. WC closed my girl and we went back to opening. 10-15 min set, Reopened HB Danson at the bar next to the dance floor and asked if she wanted to dance, lead her there and into the back where we were before. Jumped like goofballs for a minute, then I decided it'd be fun to go to the front where people were putting their hands on the plates over the speakers. Slid my way through the crowd taking her with me and even better, in front of the 3 set that didn't want to hook before. And we danced, I did whatever funny thing I felt like in a moment and made sure to keep turning to her and interacting with her or just smiling and copying her dancing. Seemed to go well, 3 set from before seemed a bit jealous too so that was fun. I also discovered I could enjoy this type of dancing, because I kept jumping like a nutcase long after everyone else's legs had started to give out and they were all just standing during the bass drops. Heh. Said goodbye when it was time to go and motioned that I had to go with my friends, tried to smile a lot and kino for a happy last impression. She texted me later asking me to come back to the dance floor Jellyfish Did some silly shuffling through the crowd to the music, smiled a lot like RPQ told me to in bootcamp. Tons of good responses and 2 or 3 easy opens that I didn't know where to take or I decided to look for higher quality girls. One 4 set lasted about 10 minutes, short girl reasonably cute, tried opening across the set and I should have gone for the one in the middle, even though I couldn't get proximity to her. Set went okay, target was pretty drunk and extremely compliant and wanted my attention. Turns out after 10 minutes or so, she had a boyfriend and the other girl might not have. How do you deal with that? Moops? -Club with mostly tables, a bar in the main room, and a bouncing dancefloor Opened a couple girls, they hooked, but it fell short on momentum because all I could do is jump around and most weren't interested in leaving the dancefloor so soon. I opened a few sets like this and the third hooked pretty well and was smiley and complaint. I can't remember, after about 15 minutes of jumping, their interest died down and they didn't want to go off the dance floor. It might have been my mental state or that I was starting to get off beat at some points too. Eventually ejected and looked for other sets but didn't hook most. Held up one of the frills on one girls dress and gave her an approving look, she seemed thoroughly conflicted and left haha Jellyfish again Opened a mixed 7 or 8 set on the dancefloor, my target and I had exchanged a couple of looks before and so I waved her over and she came, danced for me a bit and then took me back to her friends. Found out who she was there with by asking one of the guys, while complimenting them all. She was next to me but scooted to the other side of the circle as I tried to make sure the whole set was hooked. BT spiked them all a reasonable number of times and went off to go open some other girls while increasing preselection from my target. While opening a mixed 3 set, a girl behind me spilled her drink on the back of my shirt. I kept thinking I could use that as an opener since she was relatively cute, but I couldn't think of what to do. Ran into a 2 set of girls hugging, held out my arms for a hug from both. I thought it was funny but then one left and the other (a 4 or 5 at best in china) grabbed onto me and basically tried to rape me in the club. I figured I'd let her go at it for a minute or two just for the experience, but then the thought occurred to me to just directly ask her to leave and go to her place (my brother is staying at my airbnb with me.) She said wait a second and I said okay and went to look for my actual target. She was gone along with the whole set. I will say I regret nothing, but I regret it lol. Opened a couple more sets, one 4 set I tried to bounce for food with my friends but they said they weren't hungry. Met Limonaide and co. and we talked about his set and what to do for a bit and then the one who was intent on having my babies walked outside and I told her let's go together, I wanted some practice for the things I learned in the sex seminar even if I had to sacrifice a bit of my pride for it. The practice was pretty awful. LR coming soon Things I did well: -Made sure to make use of preselection by showing off the cute girls I hooked around the clubs, and high fiving the dudes I'd given face when they walked by -Did some silly openers that I enjoyed, and with good body language for the most part -Opened a lot of sets -Calibrated kino a bit better as I went along Things I will improve: -I will open more girls I think are hot that are low chance even if they're in a bad position to approach -I will pick my target BEFORE opening the set as much as possible, and learn how to open across a set but still keep my target interested -I will be more persistent in sets that seem interested but feel awkward or are giving both positive and negative feedback. Because I shouldn't really bother too much with that in getting what I want anyway -I will try to make sure all interactions I have are a DHV Realizations: -Night game is hard, but not as hard as I thought at the beginning of the night -Kino compliance in night game while dancing is a funny beast it seems, touching is more okay, but you can trigger resistance almost more easily than in daygame, probably because girls there are used to shutting guys down -I have no idea how to progress the sarge well in loud environments. Is the only goal in an extremely loud room to build enough attraction to bounce somewhere quieter? I assume you can't seed that bounce really if they can't understand your english, and all vocal communication is much slower and more deliberate.1 point