Romeo's Seoul Bootcamp—July 2015

[Romeo]

This may be a bit different than the typical bootcamp field report—I figure enough of these reports have already outlined the basic structure of the bootcamp and what to expect on each day, so I'm going to focus more on my personal background as someone who already had a pretty decent background in pickup before going into the bootcamp. I figure my experience may be relevant to someone else with a similar background as me who is debating whether taking a bootcamp will be beneficial to them or not.

 

Also note that I took my bootcamp almost 3 months ago, so a lot of this is in retrospect after having a lot of time to put into practice what I learned during the bootcamp, and reflect on how it's been useful to me.

 

Here we go:

 

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I came into the bootcamp already having a pretty solid background in pickup. I first came to Korea in 2008 and started doing game stuff on my own, watching a bunch of RSD videos and then going out 2 or 3 nights a week and approaching a ton of girls. So before taking the bootcamp, I had already hooked up with a few dozen women in Korea and considered myself to be pretty good.

 

That said, I wasn't at the level I wanted to be at. I wanted to be able to approach any girl at any time of day in any environment (street, cafe, subway, etc.); at the time I was doing well at night, but had a lot of AA during the day. I wanted to be dating the hottest and highest-caliber girls in Seoul, but most of the girls I was getting were "pretty good". I wanted to have multiple simultaneous long-term relationships with these girls, not just bang them once, but I didn't know how to manage multiple relationships and keep the girls around long-term without committing to being exclusive with one girl.

 

So after a lot of deliberation and on the strong recommendation of my good friend Vision, who I kept going to for advice ("Bro, just take the bootcamp—it will answer all your questions."), I decided to take the bootcamp.

 

This field report is a collection of some of the more important lessons I learned throughout the weekend of my bootcamp.

 

Taking the bootcamp—empty your cup

 

I decided to enter the bootcamp as a blank slate. One of my favorite quotes is from the Zen concept of Shoshin: "In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities; in the expert's mind there are few."

 

While I might think I already know a lot about picking up Korean girls, I figured I would get the most value out of the weekend if I emptied my cup and acted like I was a beginner.

 

I decided I would do whatever RedPoleQ told me to throughout the weekend, even if I disagreed or it was completely different from what had been working for me in the past. Then after giving his methods a try for the weekend, I could reflect on it and decide later whether I found his methods more or less effective than my old methods. After all, I was paying RedPoleQ to teach me everything he could within a weekend—any time I spent arguing with him or not doing what he said would just limit the amount of time I had to learn his philosophy and methods.

 

For anyone going into a bootcamp, I would highly recommend this approach. Assume everything RedPoleQ says is correct, even if you may already have an opinion that's different from his, and you'll get the most value out of the weekend. You can always go back to what you were doing later if you really feel his methods don't work after giving them a fair shot, but spending the weekend disagreeing with him is not a good use of your limited time with him.

 

I can say confidently after taking the bootcamp (and having RedPoleQ help me multiple times to save a long-term relationship afterward) that he understands Asian female psychology better than anyone I've ever met, and he's scarily accurate at predicting how girls will respond and knowing what the best course of action is. So after having a chance to put everything into practice, I don't disagree with anything he taught us during the bootcamp, and am using his method practically to a T instead of most of what I was using in the past.

 

Body language quick-fixes

 

RedPoleQ fixed a couple minor issues with my body language: not crossing arms or clasping them in front of me when standing still, and not standing with my feet too close together. (RedPoleQ: "You look like a lecturer or something." Haha).

 

Since then, I've been spending some time focusing on my body language and how I'm holding myself (just stand up tall with your hands at your sides—it feels uncomfortable at first, but displays a lot of confidence), I've noticed I get better reactions from girls and more girls are checking me out. Playboy posture!

 

These are things that are hard to notice on my own, but with RedPoleQ watching me, they were almost immediate fixes that started getting me better results.

 

Practice plowing

 

For practice, RedPoleQ forced me to not eject early from sets and to push the set as long as I could, even when I wasn't into the girl. At first I thought this was a waste of time because I didn't want to spend time talking to girls I wasn't attracted to. But this turned out to be really good practice for my game, because I started learning out how to plow and force a conversation to keep going even if the girl wasn't particularly fun or interesting to be around.

 

I found this skill to be very beneficial in sets with girls who I *am* interested in, because a) sometimes they're not immediately responsive and it's helpful to learn how to plow until they open up, and b) practicing having casual / fun banter with girls who I didn't want anything from ended up helping me relax a lot more and be more fun in sets with girls I did like (as opposed to just being outcome focused and trying to get her number).

 

It also helped me become an awesome wing man for friends, because I'm now really good at occupying/entertaining the fat/ugly friend long enough for my friend to chat up her hot friend and get her number. (In the past I was a terrible wing, because I wasn't good at talking to girls I wasn't attracted to).

 

State-based vs non-state-based game

 

In the past, my game was always dependent on being "in state", as RSD calls it. When I'm "in state" with my friends at a nightlife venue, my interactions with girls typically go pretty well, because I'm generally a fun, positive person to be around.

 

The problem with the state-based approach is that during the day when I wasn't with friends, I usually wasn't in a "good state" and thus I would pussy out from approaching at all. And when I did push myself to approach, I felt nervous and my approaches ended up being pretty lame and awkward for both me and the girl.

 

Another problem was that I was usually drinking a lot of alcohol when I went out at night in order to help me get "in state". Which is a pretty miserable habit in general for health, productivity, and overall life balance.

 

RedPoleQ's style is structured enough that now after the bootcamp, I have a rough routine of what I should say and do to get the interaction to go well. So now, even if I'm not in a good state and I haven't talked to anyone yet that day, I feel confident doing the approach. (Well, AA never completely goes away—but most of the time I'm able to overcome it and do the approach anyway).

 

In essence, having a plan of what to say during my day approaches near-obliterated my approach anxiety. I previously thought getting over AA was a matter of just doing a lot of approaches and eventually getting used to it. But learning a solid plan of what to say when I approach a girl, instead of just relying on being in state and winging it, gave me a lot of confidence to approach girls during the day.

 

I also now have a better idea of the things the need to happen during an initial interaction with a girl to maximize the chances of her meeting me up for a day 2, whereas in the past my results were pretty unpredictable because I didn't have a clear system. So I can be more like a sniper in my approaches of going for the girls I really like and maximizing my chances of getting them, instead of being like a shotgun where I blast a ton of girls and randomly wind up getting some of them.

 

I'm still a fan of getting in state for a night out—of course being in an awesome, positive mood helps your approaches immensely. But RedPoleQ's method gave me a framework to use even when I'm not in state, at any time of day. So I now feel a lot more confident approaching during the daytime because I know I have a reliable set of tools to fall back on. (And now I don't feel the need to get hammered when I go out at night before feeling confident approaching )

 

BT spikes: Becoming unrejectable

 

RedPoleQ taught us how to plow when a girl isn't immediately responsive. Basically how to handle sets where you go up and deliver your opener to the girl, and she's completely cold or rude to you.

 

BT spikes are ways to get the girl laughing and build attraction. RedPoleQ is hilarious, and gave us a lot of examples of different things we can say to the girl in different situations to get her laughing, even if the set isn't going well. You can literally plow with these one after another until you finally find something that makes the girl laugh.

 

Since the bootcamp, I had a set where one of the girls literally told me to fuck off right when I opened them. I plowed with some BT spikes, and 30-60 seconds into the set (when she realized how hilarious and awesome I am ), she apologized for being rude, and a few minutes later I number closed her.

 

Unlimited topics to talk about

 

One of the biggest problems I used to have when I wasn't in state was running out of things to talk about with the girls, at which point I would end up talking about something random that doesn't necessarily lead the interaction in the direction I want it to go.

 

RedPoleQ's use of qualification provided me with a nearly unlimited list of topics to talk about, and these topics all help lead the interaction toward me eventually closing the girl.

 

He had us brainstorm a list of the qualities our ideal girl would possess. So now when we're in a set with a girl, we have a list of information we want to find out about her to see if she may be our ideal girl.

 

These topics give you a chance to screen her out early if you find out some information that would make you not compatible, and also help build a connection with the girl where she feels like you're uniquely interested in her and she's earned your attraction.

 

So another reason I now feel a lot more confident approaching girls when I'm not in state (as mentioned previously) is because I know I have a bunch of conversational topics to fall back on, so I'll never run out of things to talk about.

 

Getting the girl to meet you again

 

In the past, I used to try to get as many phone numbers as possible, because I knew a large percentage of them wouldn't respond over text or I wouldn't be able to get them to meet me. I never knew which girls would meet me again (and for the ones who didn't respond over text, why), so I simply played a numbers game where I would get as many phone numbers as possible.

 

RedPoleQ's method allows you to find out in the initial interaction if the girl is likely to meet you again, and if not, the reasons why.

 

Most guys will try to get the phone number ASAP and hope for the best, but a lot of girls will give you their phone number simply to get rid of you, and have no intentions of ever responding to your calls / messages.

 

With RedPoleQ's method, the phone number is a side effect of the girl agreeing to meet up with you again, not the end-goal of the interaction. If you use this method and have enough time to run your sets properly, the number of girls who give you their phone number and flake on you goes down drastically.

 

Unfortunately, I still do have girls who flake on me or never respond :'( — I don't think that number will ever go to zero no matter how good you are!

 

But this method allows me to pursue only the girls I'm really interested in, pursue them hard, and maximize my chances of getting them to meet me, instead of dividing my resources across dozens of girls, each with a low chance of meeting up with me again.

 

A ton of other mind-blowing shit

 

This only scratches the surface. I have over 3000 words of notes I took during bootcamp, and I'd love to write more about of the revelations I had here.

 

But I'm going to end my FR here because it's been 3 months, and Tattoo has been nagging me to finish my FR so I can finally access the forums and share some of the stuff I'm working on xD. And also I think this is already a long enough read as is!

 

The community

 

The bootcamp is just one weekend, and while you can make massive gains in a weekend, it's really the start of a longer ongoing journey of improvement. One of the best things about taking the bootcamp is the awesome community of guys you have access to afterward.

 

It's now been 3 months since my bootcamp, and I'd say I've continued to improve every week since. The main reason I've been able to keep focused improving my game is due to the awesome group of A-Team guys in Seoul.

 

At the time of this writing, there's a group of guys in Gangnam who are going out almost every day. After taking the bootcamp, you can continue to go out with these guys, watch them do approaches, talk with them, learn from them, and get their feedback on your approaches.

 

There's an active group chat on kakao talk where guys are constantly asking good questions and talking about what's working for them. And also the forums (which honestly I haven't seen yet because it's taken me so long to finish my FR haha—but I look forward to finally reading some of the more useful threads I've heard the other guys talking about once I get access!).

 

Basically, if you choose to take advantage of it, you can surround yourself with guys who are constantly going out and who are dedicated to improving their game. As Jim Rohn would say, "You are the average of the 5 people you spend the most time with," so in my opinion this is a huge unspoken benefit of taking the bootcamp.

 

One more note—choosing to go with the Platinum package

 

When I did the bootcamp, I decided to go for the most expensive package offered—the platinum package.

 

For those considering it, I thought I'd post my reasons for doing so.

 

For one, the platinum package comes with one free advanced seminar, and half-price on all other advanced courses. At the time of this writing, RedPoleQ offers two advanced classes: A text-messaging seminar and a sex seminar.

 

Since my bootcamp, I've taken both, and both were IMMENSELY helpful for my game, so I can highly recommend both courses.

 

I would say if you're serious about improving with women, you're probably going to want to take both of these at some point eventually. So personally it made sense to just do the platinum package from the beginning and get the free / discounted advanced seminars, in addition to the other benefits that come with the platinum package.

 

The other benefits include 1) being able to take the bootcamp again and again in the future as many times as you like for free, and 2) unlimited follow-up email and phone call support with RedPoleQ, among other things.

 

#2 especially was a huge motivator for me doing the platinum package, because I wanted Martin's ongoing advice in managing my multiple long-term relationships.

 

Since the bootcamp, Martin has already helped me save my relationship one of my regulars who has tried to break up with me 3 or 4 times now, haha. Without quick access to his advice on how to handle certain tricky situations, I definitely would have effed something up and lost her by now.

 

So if you're serious about improving your success with women over the next year, in my opinion the platinum package is absolutely worth the upgrade, and you'll be getting significantly more value than what you spend on it.

 

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Hope that was helpful to someone who's considering taking the bootcamp! Looking forward to hopefully connecting with you in the kakao chat and going out with you in Gangnam

[Tattoo]

About freaking time! Welcome to the community!

[RedpoleQ]

Great write up, man. It's been awesome having you on the team!