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  1. Not sure what SEM means, but all the other All Asia Summit posts had it in their title, so 😁 I really enjoyed this year's summit. For me it was a mostly relaxing time hanging out with fellow alumni, with some very useful classroom time, mixed in with some intensive approaching stints. My main goal with coming to the summit this year was to continue to build on and keep a good relationship with the guys in the chat groups who regularly give me advice. I think that face-time is super important for keeping people connected, and considering how much value the people in the community have provided to me over the years, I felt that it was well worth the financial investment that coming to Korea from China costs. Speaking of costs, I managed to get a pretty good price on a Thursday night flight ticket, as well as a really inexpensive but still great quality AirBnb in the Yeoksam part of Gangnam. Friday was introduction day. I was pretty stoked, as I had already managed to home-bounce a girl I had approached at Taco Bell earlier that day. Unfortunately I couldn't overcome her "We just met" resistance, which is fair enough, considering that I knew her for less than an hour at the point of the homebounce haha. Anyway, I made sure to show up early to the summit meeting place so that I could possibly get some beforehand chat time with any alumni who were already there. It's often the casual conversations with the guys where you often get drips of gold information that can benefit your life tremendously if you pay attention. Later that night we all hit the Itaewon strip to game. Itaewon had tons of girls, but I find it very difficult to get sets to hook there, maybe because so many Korean guys are out there hunting so the girls have tougher shields up Saturday was a day filled with lots of practical lessons related to storytelling and building a Routine Stack. The storytelling class was offered by Sage, a person who I find is a very skilled not only at effective storytelling, but also at giving thoughtful compliments to girls (and his witty humor made his storytelling class as entertaining as it was useful). The Routine Stack class was powered by RedPoleQ, and I found this information particularly relevant, as I've been spending the past couple months completely revamping my Routine Stack, and during the talks that day I heard lots of great ideas that I've added to my game. We spent that night out on the Gangnam strip, and it was a great time seeing everyone out there hanging out and opening sets. I was more interested in chatting with the bros than I was in opening sets, but I somehow managed to wing McConnell and end up with an instant date bounce with our girls to a nearby bar. I definitely think that my girl was closeable, but we didn't have the luxury of time to divide and conquer the girls, since both McConnell and I had to rest up for the final day of summit. Sunday was a day filled with lots of supplementary information that guys who are intermediate pickup level and above might find most useful. The courses I attended included taking sexy videos (led by McConnell and Kane), Shibari (led by McConnell), and Fashion (led by McConnell). All three courses were relevant to me, as those are all areas in my game that I am looking to improve upon. My favorite was definitely the Shibari course, particularly the cool looking neck chain that McConnell showed up how to tie. I was super tired (and Romeo's couch was super comfortable) and fell asleep at the beginning of the fashion course, but thankfully I recorded the audio on my phone, so maybe I can still learn something. We spent the last night on the same Gangnam strip from the previous night. A non-Alumni summit member and I bounced a Korean two-set to a bar and then to his nearby home. We weren't able to close the girls because of a time-constraint, but I learned a lot from seeing how he has his home set up to BT spike, entertain, and thrill girls who he is trying to close. I've since borrowed a couple of things from him to make my own home more appealing to girls, am looking forward to seeing what effect it has. Overall it was another great year at summit. I'm really glad that I came and got some face-time with the guys, particularly with two of my Mastermind members who happened to be in attendance. Really grateful to be part of such an intelligent community of guys, looking forward to leveling up more and more every year!
  2. Not sure what SEM means, but all the other All Asia Summit posts had it in their title, so 😁 I really enjoyed this year's summit. For me it was a mostly relaxing time hanging out with fellow alumni, with some very useful classroom time, mixed in with some intensive approaching stints. My main goal with coming to the summit this year was to continue to build on and keep a good relationship with the guys in the chat groups who regularly give me advice. I think that face-time is super important for keeping people connected, and considering how much value the people in the community have provided to me over the years, I felt that it was well worth the financial investment that coming to Korea from China costs. Speaking of costs, I managed to get a pretty good price on a Thursday night flight ticket, as well as a really inexpensive but still great quality AirBnb in the Yeoksam part of Gangnam. Friday was introduction day. I was pretty stoked, as I had already managed to home-bounce a girl I had approached at Taco Bell earlier that day. Unfortunately I couldn't overcome her "We just met" resistance, which is fair enough, considering that I knew her for less than an hour at the point of the homebounce haha. Anyway, I made sure to show up early to the summit meeting place so that I could possibly get some beforehand chat time with any alumni who were already there. It's often the casual conversations with the guys where you often get drips of gold information that can benefit your life tremendously if you pay attention. Later that night we all hit the Itaewon strip to game. Itaewon had tons of girls, but I find it very difficult to get sets to hook there, maybe because so many Korean guys are out there hunting so the girls have tougher shields up Saturday was a day filled with lots of practical lessons related to storytelling and building a Routine Stack. The storytelling class was offered by Sage, a person who I find is a very skilled not only at effective storytelling, but also at giving thoughtful compliments to girls (and his witty humor made his storytelling class as entertaining as it was useful). The Routine Stack class was powered by RedPoleQ, and I found this information particularly relevant, as I've been spending the past couple months completely revamping my Routine Stack, and during the talks that day I heard lots of great ideas that I've added to my game. We spent that night out on the Gangnam strip, and it was a great time seeing everyone out there hanging out and opening sets. I was more interested in chatting with the bros than I was in opening sets, but I somehow managed to wing McConnell and end up with an instant date bounce with our girls to a nearby bar. I definitely think that my girl was closeable, but we didn't have the luxury of time to divide and conquer the girls, since both McConnell and I had to rest up for the final day of summit. Sunday was a day filled with lots of supplementary information that guys who are intermediate pickup level and above might find useful.
  3. Yeah, you definitely seemed to have leveled up substantially in the approaching realm, and your body language and walk is killer! Our second night out when you were sick I copied some of your persistence and high energy, and noticed it had a positive effect on all of the people I encountered πŸ’ͺ🏾πŸ’ͺ🏾 I think that I said the reverse. I remember saying something about how you should gesture and point at them more on the open, since I think that kind of body language is more likely to get girls hooked and standing still, since you are gesturing right at them. And from there during convo you can gesture and point at yourself when you are trying to emphasize a point. Is worth experimenting with. On that note, on that set that I had you reopen multiple times, I really liked that one move you did where you pointed at your face and gave her a big grin. I'm gonna use that 😁
  4. Great job on getting this written! hehe let's not make too many assumptions....you'd probably be surprised by the behavior supposedly keen girls will present to you over text message. But, yeah, generally if girls aren't responding to your messages, it's because your D1 wasn't as tight as it could have been. Too many negative assumptions.... Reading through your report, it seems pretty clear to me that most of your problems come from making what might be called "newb moves." Basically, you are new to pickup, and after taking your bootcamp you do some things correctly and a good amount of things incorrectly. I'd go into more detail, but it's almost 1am and I need to wake up at 7am πŸ˜‚ I'm not sure if you watched my seminar speech (I suggest you do, I think it's pretty golden if I don't say so myself hehe), but during that speech I talked about the sacrifices that I've had to make (and continue to make) to learn pickup. Based off what you've written in the chat groups, you seem to be hoping that you would spend a couple months after bootcamp gaming, gain a LTR of some sort, and then have a girl who could hold you down during the tumultuous period you might be soon heading to as you focus on business. Seems like there is still a little more work in the pickup arena to do before you will get that LTR. Unfortunately, for most men on this planet, pickup isn't something that you can get good at in a short period of time. Like many skills, it takes constant effort and sacrifice. It's up to you to decide how much you are willing to sacrifice to level up in this skill. I definitely think that it would be a wonderful skill for you to have, as I seem to notice traces of mental/emotional weakness and self-loathing in your writing, and I think that learning pickup would give you the emotional resilience you need to handle whatever life throws at you. I'd suggest that you sit down and map out some kind of goal list for what you'd like to accomplish in life in the next 3-6 months, and then post it on this forum (my bad if you already posted it here and I didn't see it, please direct me to it if you did). Find out how you can continue to make pickup a regular part of your life. Be aware that in the short term sacrifices are likely going to need to be made. Some weeks/months you might be focusing on pickup at the expense of other things, some weeks/months you might be focusing on other things at the expense of pickup. The key is that you are aware that all of this hard work and sacrifice is leading you closer and closer to a higher-quality life. This is a journey that we are all on together, don't get discouraged because the beginning of your journey is starting off a little rocky. It took me something like 4 months to get laid after I first took the bootcamp, and that was after a good number of near-closes where I was literally minutes away from penetrating a girl but made some kind of foolish mistake. Sure, it's possible that your age could be playing some small role in girl's behavior towards you, but from what you wrote, based on your game skills, bad logisitics, not-super-positive internal monologue, misguided texting behaviors, etc.- it's pretty clear to me that there are other issues that are likely holding you back that have nothing to do with your age. Do you know the master PUA Bexter? He's somewhere in his 40s and apparently still flying around the world banging hot chicks. Not saying you need to imitate his lifestyle, but he's an example of a guy in his 40s who is doing better than most men half his age. Anyway, just be patient and keep moving forward. You will 100% see increased success when you tighten up all of the things in your game and life setup. I'll leave the detailed feedback for Martin and Kane, but let me know if you have any specific questions for me! 😁
  5. Nice! Off the top of my head, I can only remember one date I had at TaiKooLee that led to a bang, and that was when I took a milf and her daughter to a painting place called Painting Tower on the D3, and on the D4 I banged the milf hehe. A big difference between how you run your D2s and how I have run my D2s is that (1) you took her to a very well-known place (TaiKooLee) that she has likely gone before, and (2) you dropped a good amount of coin on the date, which I have learned to avoid to do because it's not efficient if you are running lots of dates....but your dropping coin maybe could have helped lead to a bang, so maybe I should re-evaluate how I do things. What places did you walk around to for an hour? I can't think of many things to walk to and see at TaiKoo Lee.... Also, I'm gonna steal your "come and help me search for foreign/Chinese movies" homebounce, because I think it's really good since I got a new TV and actually AM interested in finding good movies to watch! πŸ˜„
  6. Hey bro, I'm glad that you are doing what you said you would do and are writing field reports to get feedback. Really awesome that you are proactively working to get better, success is soon ahead πŸ† Also good that you are going out gaming regularly! That night we went out to LKF things went fairly well, I'd say, although I think things could have gone a lot smoother and been more efficient if you had a concrete plan that you could refer to throughout the night, ESPECIALLY during those tough times where you are feeling emotionally shook up and uncertain about what your next step should be. Like I said on our last Day Game session, I think it's good for you to have a concrete idea of (1) What specific goals you want to accomplish (what kinds of sets would you like to open, what kinds of girls), (2) How you would like to reach those goals (what openers would you like to play with, do you want to approach x number of girls in a certain amount of time?), and (3) what things you AREN'T ready for yet (for example, approaching a smoking hot girl from the front, approaching in a crowded place where people can hear what you say, etc.), so that you can tell me and I will know not to push you too hard past your limits. Don't want any public meltdowns in front of hot chicks πŸ˜‚ I have certain best practices that I have found usually work for me in Day Game and Night Game, but you will likely find that they don't fit your temperament 100%. Keep experimenting and you will find what does work for you, and don't get bummed out if the opener you wanted to test out on a certain day falls flat. It happens, just note why you think it failed and see if it's worth trying to adjust the opener or just try a new opener. It's nothing personal, everything is just experimentation and practice, and sometimes that practice leads you to sexy times with a hot girl 😊
  7. I would only feel guilty if I had lied to the girl about the relationship and fed her a fairy tale that she would be the only girl in my life forever. I'm currently working on setting better frames and expectations pre-close so that it's a better overall experience for me and the girls.
  8. Yeah, I don't know if you followed my recommendation when I last told you, but let me repeat it: ANTHONY DE MELLO. This guy literally changed my life and pulled me out of the darkness that my life was in for my first 23 years of life. The videos and books that I would recommend most for you are (1) Rediscovery of Life, (2) Awareness, and (3) The Way to Love. Here, I'll post a link to the Rediscovery of Life recordings from youtube: Hope this helps! ^_^
  9. I did a bootcamp in Chengdu with my friends The Philosopher and MadeYouLook!. In addition to my analysis, you can read The Philosopher's analysis of our boot camp: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5604 I go by the name of ShinChoc (My forum name was formerly "Chocolate"). I have been studying game since about 2009, with my first introduction to the seduction community being through Robert Greene's The Art of Seduction. I took RedPoleQ's online texting seminar back in December 2016, and then the in-person texting seminar in July 2016. If you take the texting seminar, you will be allowed access into a texting chat group where alumni members of the Asia Dating community can critique your texts and give you emergency advice when texting women. My being a part of that group, and my frequent discussions with the members of the group lead me to realize that there is a LOT about dating Asian women that I didn't know or understand. My frequent mistakes in my dating life finally pushed me to sign up for the Approach Mastery boot camp, My Chongqing friend (The Philosopher), and I messaged Kane back in January showing interest in doing a boot camp in Chengdu, and we set the date for March 17th. MadeYouLook!, an alumni member of the Asian Dating Community, was also interested in learning from Kane, so he joined us as well. Just to give you a summary of my feelings about the 3 days of boot camp: The boot camp was an AMAZING, LIFE-CHANGING experience! I learned sooooooo many mindsets and techniques from Kane, and, in the past 5 days since the boot camp ended, I seem to be on the fast-track to getting the kind of dating life that I want. I think that one of my biggest fears/triggers is the thought of being publicly embarrassed or being disrespected in front of others. That fear of public embarrassment has frequently manifested itself in situations where I had a chance to approach or talk to a girl, but I didn't take it because other people were watching me/were nearby/would be able to hear my conversation with a girl that I wanted to approach. Being around Kane, and seeing how he fearlessly approaches women while heaps of Chinese people stare at him with their mouths agape really helped to give me confidence that I could do the same thing. For example, during the Day 3 of our boot camp, we visited an underground book store. Normally I hate approaching women in these kinds of venues, because it's a relatively quiet place, and anyone within 20 feet of you can probably hear your conversation if you are talking normally. Compared to all of the previous venues where we had approached at in the past two days, I was very nervous about approaching in such an area where you are visible and hearable by everyone in ear-shot. I watched in amazement as Kane fearlessly approached a group of 3 Chinese girls by loudly and confidently telling them that he was approaching them because one of the girls had looked at him. I played wingman and handled the other two girls while Kane handled his target, Kane later gave me an idea to carry around a Chinese art book (I love art) and open girls by asking them for help understanding one of the Chinese characters in it. It was a very relieving experience to know that I could effectively approach women inside of a place that has the kinds of women that I tend to like (Chinese girls who like to read ). The previous day, Kane had us do this "photo bomb" approach, where we basically ran up and jumped in the photos that girls were taking in front of these statues. It was very embarrassing for me, and I was noticeably awkward at it, but the interesting thing is that nobody really cared. I mean, you would think a bunch of foreigners photo-bombing cute Chinese girls taking pictures would draw a big reaction from passerby, but honestly most people didn't really seem to concerned with what were were doing, and those who were quickly lost interest looking at us after 30 seconds or so. The was pretty much the pattern throughout the entire boot camp: the people around us who may have been watching us approach girls gave us their attention for maybe 1 minute, and then after that they resumed doing whatever it was they were doing before they saw us. So, basically, there wasn't much reason to be embarrassed, because the people who I could be embarrassed in front of weren't really paying me any mind. Anyway, besides gaining more confidence approaching girls in front of others, I also got some experience keeping my sets open for longer periods of time. By that I mean that, with Kane's pushing, I kept persisting in situations in interactions with girls where I would have normally given up or ended the interaction. In the beginning, I felt a lot of the sets that I opened were very awkward, because I was very nervous, and when I am nervous I tend to talk a lot. Like, a part of me feared the girls that I approached would walk away if I don't keep talking, so I tended to overload them with information to the point where they didn't know how or what to respond to. That's a problem that I'm working on fixing. The good thing is that even sets that I thought went "badly" or that I thought were really painful to persist through, nothing bad happened. Like, the worst thing that happened was that a few of the girls who I had gotten the WeChat information of deleted me, but I ended up getting the WeChat info of so many women that I don't really care so much about the women who didn't want to continue communicating with me. And that's one of the best things that I got from the boot camp. I used to do a lot of online (Tantan) game to try to meet women because I was too lazy to go out and approach. Now that I have the skills that the boot camp taught me, it will be a LOT easier for me to go out and will up my pipeline of women that I have in my life. Rather than messaging girls on Tantan for weeks just to get a meeting with them, and then realizing when I meet them that they don't look like their profile picture, I can just approach the women I like in-person and have things progress a lot faster. I deleted Tantan and Tinder off my phone last night I'll just give a brief run-through of some of the other things that I learned: (1) I should open Girls in Chinese- I was surprised by how many girls I approached spoke fluent English. Anyway, my Chinese has gotten pretty good, and opening in Chinese can be really beneficial to help overcome the "first-minute resistance" that some girls feel when being approached (2) Eliminate my negative assumptions- My brain sometimes like to assume negative things about people, and when it comes to women, I would sometimes assume that I would be "bothering" them if I approach them. Not true. If you approach girls in a fun and non-threatening way, most of them will be happy that they interacted with you (3) Get more sexual with women to test their resistances- This is possibly the biggest thing that I've learned. I often made the mistake of waiting until I am in the sex location with a girl before I try to get sexual with her. Bad idea. It is a much smarter idea to get as physical with a girl as you can (anything besides kissing her or fingering her in public) to see what possible resistances she has to you. That way things will be a lot smoother when you actually do try to close her, and she won't be so caught off guard by your sexual attempt. In conclusion, this bootcamp has changed my life for the better. I only wish that I had known what I know now a year ago! Things would have been SOOOO much easier, and I wouldn't have missed out on so many hot women. Anyway, now I am in the right position and have the right mindset to fully enjoy all of the beautiful Asian women around me. There's a LOT more fun that I'm gonna have, and I'll keep you guys posted on my future adventures! -ShinChoc
  10. Awesome post! It was a very fun and enlightening experience doing a bootcamp with you, and I think that we both helped to push each other through the more difficult situations. Let's keep leveling up! -ShinChoc
  11. Okay, so I guess I learned my lesson from my experience in Taipei with that girl giving me LMR, and me stopping when I probably could have gone all of the way. I'll keep this post short and to the point. Met on TanTan I first met this girl on TanTan (TanTan is the Chinese version of Tinder. It's actually a LOT better than Tinder because you can send pictures, location, etc.) around the beginning of July (July 20th to be exact. We slept together on September 19th, it took me almost one month to bed her ). I was in Taipei on vacation, and I had somehow still matched with her, even though she was in the mainland China. We kept contact while I was in Taipei, with me sending her occasional pictures and snapshots from my time in Taipei. Meet in person Fast forward to this week. I finally flew back to my city in China. I set up a date with her for the following Friday. She lives in the same city as me, but because the city is so big, it took her an hour bus ride to come see me. We met near my building, and then walked around my area. I took her into this Exotic Toy shop that was nearby, which was pretty cool. I also bought us some fruit juice. By this point I was holding her hand, and I was leading her to my apartment, under the premise of giving her the gifts and showing her what I had been using to study Chinese. Here's where the trouble starts. Obstacle 1: Broken AC Apparently the air-conditioner in my room was broken, because my room was very hot. I had her sitting on my bed, with us looking at my laptop, but the heat caused her to refuse my touches every time I got near her (I've heard this resistance before during hot seasons, with women saying "It's too hot" whenever I try to sexually escalate on them). I called the manager of the apartment, and had them send over someone to fix the AC. This delayed my sexual escalation by over an hour, and we were on a time-limit since she had to go home that night. Obstacle 2: Need to shave face I had also forgotten to shave, and she had complained about it scratching her face when my face touched hers (I ALWAYS get this objection). I solved this problem by quickly going to shave my face in the bathroom. Obstacle 3: LMR- Caveman technique for the win! With the air-conditioner finally fixed, she felt more comfortable relaxing on my bed. As we looked through some of my Facebook pictures and watched YouTube videos, I began kissing her neck. She gave resistance, trying to cover her neck with her hand and hair, but I kept pushing it out of the way to get to her neck. Honestly, I thought the situation was hopeless, because she didn't seem to be giving in or giving off any signs of being turned on. She kept trying to sit up and move to the edge of the bed, and I kept picking her up and lying her back down on her front. She kept saying "listen to me" but I kept persisting with kissing her body. I decided to up my aggressiveness by *pinning her hands down with her lying on her stomach (a very important technique that I learned from RedpoleQ!) and laying on top of her while kissing her neck, and then taking her hand and rubbing it against my cock*, AND THIS FINALLY MADE HER GIVE IN. She told me to close the blinds on my windows (I hadn't realized that I had left the blinds wide open for the entire next building to see us ), and after I did that I threw my pants and shirt off (I had already secretly taken off my belt and unzipped my pants so as to avoid the LMR situation that I experienced in Taipei). I was able to get her top off pretty easy (it was already pretty much off at this point), and she gave some resistance to me taking her bottoms off, but I pretty much ripped her underwear off and put my hand between her legs. She gave some more resistance, but gave in as I worked her neck and breast, and I managed to dig my fingers into her pussy. I fingered her, and to my surprise she squirted blood on my hand! (She later told me that she was on her period) By this point I was covered in sweat and dripping it on her. She looked down at her pussy and saw the blood on my hand, and with me covered in sweat, she suggested that we go to the shower to rinse. We went into the shower, and after rinsing off some and kissing each other, I got down and started fingering her some more. She was really enjoying it! (If she was on her period, wouldn't there have been like a constant flow of blood or something? I know very little about the period process, to be honest ) I had her get down and give me a blowjob as well. I put on the condom and sat down on the toilet as she got on top of me and rode me, grinding her body with my cock inside of her. After a few minutes of this I suggested that we go back into the bedroom, and so we did. My cock was apparently very tired, as it didn't want to get hard anymore after we had entered the bedroom (to be fair, my cock was on hard for pretty much the entire hour and a half that it took for me to finally penetrate her haha), so we just did some other sexual stuff. Shaving her She had some hair on her pussy, which I don't like, so I suggested that we shave it off. I took my clippers and shaved her pussy, and then we went into the shower with my razor to get a closer shave. Afterwards we layed on my bed, with her lying on top of me, and I layed the frames for what I want from my relationship with her. I told her that I really enjoyed spending time with her and wanted to do it some more, and that her personality was very funny, and that she was very sexy, etc. I think that I did enough to keep her from feeling any buyer's remorse, but we shall see if I can meet with her again (We set a date to meet again before we had sex, and I checked with her again later to make sure we were still on). She says I'm not a Gentleman One of the things that was interesting that she said when she was lying on top of me was that I was not a gentleman for not stopping trying to have sex with her when she was resisting me and saying "listen to me". She said it in a playful way to let me know that she was happy that we had sex, but it got me thinking about how some Asian women have these strange attitudes towards sex where they will only have sex if it is taken by force. Giving Gifts I gave her two of the gifts that I had bought in Taipei (her birthday was the previous day, and she had asked me if I had gotten her a gift. I gave her one of the beauty face masks and a small package of dried fruit that was made in Taiwan). Considering that we just had sex, I probably should have gave her some more of the many things from Taiwan that I bought, but I guess there is always next time
  12. So, in my spare time when I am not studying Chinese, I have been doing some much needed practice with setting frames and improving my qualification in my interactions with women. This post will be mainly about my working on improving my frames with women. For those of you who don't know, I have made many mistakes in the past with not setting the proper frames in my relationships, especially in my initial approach on the woman (I have often tried to approach women from a friendship frame, hoping to subtly move to the sexual frame after building more comfort. It sometimes works, in that I am able to eventually get sexual with the woman, but it often doesn't get me the sex that I desire from the woman). I have also set bad frames with the women that I have kept on as regulars, with recent examples being me intentionally trying to play mind games with a girl and inducing jealousy in her, as well as allowing a girl to call herself my girlfriend even though she hasn't given me her virginity... yea, my frames need some work haha So that you can understand the frames that I'm setting, here's what I'm looking for right now in my relationships: (1) Sex whenever I want from the women that I sleep with, (2) having the women that I'm sleeping with knowing or at least being okay with the fact that I'm sleeping with other women, and (3) (eventually in the near future) having threesomes with the women that I keep on as regulars . Basically, I want casual relationships with women, where none of us are tied down by the need to label our relationship as "boyfriend/girlfriend", etc. I think that most of the guys in the Pickup Asia community have the same relationship desires as me I've specifically been working on framing my approaches as sexual, by complimenting the woman's physique during the initial interaction, and occasionally throwing out the word "sexy." On a date that I went on recently I completely laid out all of my frames, in detail with the woman. I approached this women in the waiting line of the MRT. I don't remember being especially sexual in my approach with her, but I don't think that I was super-indirect either. We both rode to Taipei 101 together, and separated after I got her contact info and set a tentative meetup. Anyway, a couple of weeks later we finally met for a brunch date. During the date we talked about many things, specifically things based around sex and relationships. I told her about my past relationships, how I think that it's natural for men to cheat and sleep with as many attractive women as they can, how I didn't really think that I could be faithful to any one woman, how I've lied to my girlfriends and didn't tell them when I cheated on them, how I believe a woman shouldn't care about cheating in a relationship if it doesn't affect how the man treats her how I've been the guy who a woman has cheated on her boyfriend with, how I think that relationships should be FUN above everything else etc. In retrospect, a lot of these frames could have been better laid out and slightly edited (to not make myself look like such a slimeball), but I'm glad that I laid everything out on the table. While she was clearly surprised (and, I think, secretly disgusted) by my views on relationships, I felt like the interaction was a success, because she saw my world-view, and, even though she said that she disagreed with my ideas on love and relationships, I am glad that she at least knew where I stood. She has a boyfriend (she said they argued when she told him that she would be meeting with me), and I don't think that I will be able to meet with her again before I leave Taipei next week, but she is still sending me pictures from her life and messaging me. This tells me that under her outward disagreement with my lifestyle is an interest, maybe even a transgressive excitement that she gets from interacting with me (I certainly felt her interest coming through during the times where our bodies where close together). Anyway, with the frames that I set, she almost certainly doesn't think that I'm only interested in friendship with her. I read a recent post by Romeo where he said that some of the frames that he sets are that he doesn't think labels are important, that what's important is that they treat each other really well and they are happy together. Also that he really likes the woman, and thinks things are getting better and better between them, and that he wants to meet her for a long time. Considering my relationship goals, do you guys have any suggestions for what frames I should be setting, and how I can lay them out during the interaction?
  13. Thanks for the very detailed reply Romeo! My memory of all that we did on the Day 1 has faded some, but I would say we spent maybe a little less than 1.5 hours together before I home bounced her, and that I started doing physical escalation right above the 2 hour mark. I suppose the mindset that I have in these kinds of situations is "get her to my home as soon as possible before something/someone interrupts us", rather than trying to make sure that all of the dominoes are lined up 100% to increase my chances of actually getting sex. And, yea, it was foolish of me to show my anger at her, if even for a few minutes. I'm generally very good at keeping a positive attitude with women (my "positive attitude" is one of the reasons this girl brought up for liking being around me), so last night was very out of character for me. It won't happen again! I'm definitely going to utilize the "Rake frame", as my close rate is very low compared to the rather high number of women that I've actually been able to home bounce in the past year. I DEFINITELY need to utilize the D-Move more (I often forget it for some reason, as I think that I am too focused on turning the woman on and getting HER clothes off, rather than my own). Thoughts on Failing to Close: For this girl, she was too fearful to come back up to my place after I got so far with her and failed to go all the way, but I've actually had many occasions in the mainland China where I failed to fully close a woman, and she STILL came back up to my home multiple times (and even after I continued to fail to successfully close her!). Mainland China girls and Taiwan girls are very different!
  14. I'm going to keep this post short and sweet as possible, and maybe add on to it later. This first initial post will just detail my interactions with this one girl that I have been pursuing for the past couple of weeks. I'm in Taipei for a month while my mainland China visa is being processed. Initially my main objective was to spend most of my time studying Chinese (to make my mainland China adventures more fruitful), but I've decided to also get an experience of the local women. Here's one of the women that I have been seeing the most often: D1: Approached this Taiwanese girl at the bottom floor in front of the building I am staying in. Did an indirect "where is a good place to get food around here right now" opener. She happened to be going to eat by herself, so I joined her. She lives alone, in the building right next to mine, and she just finished school. We went to the nearby mall and ate, and talked, etc. I lied to her and told her that I am going to live and work in Taipei, because, in my past experiences, Asian women go cold on you when they find out that you are leaving their country soon. I managed to get her back to my place under the pretense of "studying Chinese". She was a little hesitant at first to come over to my place, but I told her that it is normal for people in my part of the country to invite people over, and I did a time-constraint of going walking afterwards. Anyway, once she was over I sat next to her and started slowly escalating as we were looking at stuff on my computer. She started becoming more open. I moved her to my room to show her my digital drawing table, and as we were sitting on my bed I started to escalate, but she got up and wanted to leave to go walking (like I had said we would after we were done studying Chinese), so we did that. D2: This was the next day. We met for a morning exercise together, and then to an Indian restaurant for lunch (after exercise she went to her room to shower and do chores for a couple of hours before we met for lunch). During our exercise time I set some really good frames about my views of sex, and how I think it is strange how Asian guys want women to pretend to be innocent. After the Indian food I bounced her up to my room to "listen to music" and some other stuff that I don't remember right now. This time I got really far with the sexual escalation. I got her top off, and had her hands rubbing on my cock. She was very insistent that she "wasn't in the mood" and that we could do it "next time." I figured that since I had already gotten so far with her that I could afford to not keep pushing for sex, and that it would likely happen on our next encounters... She was actually surprised that I wasn't angry at her for denying me sex, which signaled to me that she's been in this situation before, with Asian guys getting really angry and continuing to push for sex anyway. Again, I thought that I would get brownie points by showing her that I valued her for more than sex. She told me that she was "kind of dating someone", and asked me if it makes her bad for being in bed with me while she is already in a relationship. She was tired, so we slept in my bed together, wrapped in each others arms. After she woke up I continued to try to escalate on her, but her mom was coming to visit her in a couple of hours, so she got up and I walked her downstairs. D3,D4, etc.: Met in the morning for exercise, and then lunch. I told her about my mom's wedding and that we lived on a farm when I was younger, and that she should see photos of my mom's wedding. I'm leaving out some details here because they don't add to the report. Yesterday/Last night: I was messaging her to sudden invite her to this music performance this attractive Japanese woman that I approached a couple of days beforehand invited me to, and before I could finish sending the message she messaged me saying that she was going ice-skating, and I ended up going ice-skating with her. I did lots of kino hand-holding with her while I was helping her keep her balance while skating. After about an hour of skating she was hungry, so we left. Here is where the resistance starts. She starts talking about how tired she is feeling, and how she wants to eat and go home and sleep. I knew she would get more energy after eating, and I told her so. We got on the MRT and went to Taipei 101, and I bought a Red Bull energy drink and had her drink it. After a long walk, we got to the mall area near our home and ate there at a pretty good restaurant. During our date I re-seeded the pictures of my mom's wedding, as well as seeing pictures of my room that my mom is renovating, and getting her opinion on them. After eating I felt that she was trying to delay going back to our homes, as she kept pulling away from where I was leading her (we were holding hands at this point, as I was trying to make sure I had some kino established as I lead her home) to look at the performances that were happening in the mall area. She suggested that we go get drinks, and I agreed, thinking that maybe she wanted to maybe use alcohol as the reason that she was going to sleep with me. We went to the Brass Monkey bar and drunk 2 cocktails and 2 vodkas (totaling about 1034twd ). While sitting at the bar we talked and I escalated on her, kissing her neck, hand on her back, etc. I figured now was a perfect time to home-bounce her, but as I tried to lead her up to my apartment, she resisted, saying that she wanted to walk more. This is where our long discussion began... I asked her why she didn't want to come up to my home again, considering that she had already slept in my bed before, and she said that she was afraid the last time she came up with me. I tried to logically explain to her that we had already been intimate, and that her coming up to my home and staying the night with me wasn't such a big deal. I'll spare you guys the rest of the details about our conversation, but we ended up in a secluded part the park nearby, with me trying to continue to persuade her to not be afraid of the sexual part of our relationship, and kissing her neck, and her resisting my words and kisses (but occasionally giving in to both). She brought up the guy that she was dating, and that they had sex the previous night, and that she wasn't in the mood today. She's actually mentioned him many times to me, but I didn't know that he was the one that she was in a relationship with. He's a Taiwanese guy who lived in America for most of his life and recently came back to Taiwan. Apparently he is the guy who gave her her first orgasm. He likes to smoke week a lot. She told me that she was "in love" with him, and that the previous night they told each other they wanted to be exclusive with each other. It became clear that I wasn't going to close her that night, so I went ahead and revealed to her that I am moving back to mainland China on the 18th, hoping that would push her to take the jump and enjoy me while she still can, but it didn't seem to have an effect. Anyway, we left the park with me trying to get her to come up to my home right then, and her saying "tomorrow", "I just want to go up to my room and take a shower", and even offering to meet with me the next day. I was noticeably pissed off, as I knew her offer of meeting the next day would likely end the same- with her not coming up to my room. She didn't want me to walk her to her door because the doorman may see us, and she's had her boyfriend over before so she doesn't want to get caught. I was so pissed off at her that I turned by back on her and waved her off as I pulled out my phone and started to walk away from her. I later decided that I had acted rudely to her (honestly I was hoping in the back of my mind that my showing frustration at her would make her try to please me by giving into my wishes) and sent her a message asking her if she had gotten up to her room ok. She didn't respond, and I messaged her good night before I went to sleep, and she messaged me back saying goodnight. I messaged her this morning asking her if she slept good, but she hasn't responded yet. I'm still pretty pissed that I spent 2500twd on this girl and didn't close her, and I'm not sure what my next steps in the relationship should be. Any suggestions? Lessons Learned 1. Don't take "I'm not in the mood" as an acceptable form of objection. Even if SHE wasn't in the mood, I still should have pulled my pants off and maybe gotten a blowjob from her. 2. Don't think that you will gain a woman's trust by "respecting her boundaries" and not pushing her to have sex with you, and thinking that you will get another chance in the future. This girl and I slept in the same bed together minutes after I had her topless, rubbing my cock, and I didn't continue to push for sex through her objections, and she STILL didn't trust me enough to come back up to my home for the 3rd time. 3. Go for sex as soon as possible, because something likely will get in the way. Her objections to having sex with me went from "I'm kind of dating this other guy" to "I'm in love with him" in less than two weeks. If I had a chance to have sex with her, it seems to have disappeared rather quickly. 4. If you can, try to avoid wearing a belt/or any kind of pants that require both hands to be undone. If I had been able to take off my pants quicker, I might have been able to sleep with her. 5. Be more persistent, and push past objections. There were many times last night where I could have given up and the night would have ended earlier than it did. 6. I think that I like bars now! The Brass Monkey was a pretty good date spot, and her and I had enough privacy sitting at the bar that I could escalate on her by kissing her neck without other people watching us. 7. When it comes to dating Asian women, use your money and your ability to buy things wisely and strategically. I blew about 2500twd on this girl last night, and I still didn't get laid, so I probably wasn't very strategic haha, but at least I learned a lot!
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